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Stovers,<br>
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It will be very interesting to know the results of any follow-up
surveys about these stoves and the people who receive them. We can
hope for favorable results, but there are plenty of reasons for
unfavorable results.<br>
<br>
One possible finding COULD be that when the gas is gone and
refilling is unlikely, the households could be tempted to sell the
empty gas canister and also the burner-head and connectors. The
original recipient receives some cash (or barter) at a lower value
than the equipment available in the marketplace. The buyer
receives materials at essentially a subsidized price, regardless of
being poor, middle income or even wealthy. The buyer might use the
LPG stove, might market it for some personal gain, or (worst case)
might simple be a scrap metal collector who terminates the cookstove
value.<br>
<br>
There are tens of thousands of such LPG donations already
delivered. Some follow-up results from reliable sources would be
appropriate, especially considering the GACC and ESMAP emphasis on
measurement and evaluation (M&E) components in stove projects.
We cannot expect 100% accepted adoption. But is 80% or 60% or ??%
acceptable?<br>
<br>
**** Shift of topic**** What would happen with a similar
expenditure to distribute (and give initial instructional support)
for a Tier 3 or 4 stove with biomass fuel? Be sure to include job
creation and income genertion in the fuel supply chain. Of course
I am thinking of TLUD stoves, some with natural draft, but also
including those with small fans and rechargeable batteries. We
will not know unless such activities are implemented and evaluated.<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
Email: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>
Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/3/2015 12:18 AM, Qayum Ali Shah
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<div>I agree with Nguyen. LPG means cash and the poor has no cash
to buy it . While the biomass by one way or the other comes for
free to the poor either from his/her own farms or where they
work for other rich farmers. LPG can be recommended on a later
stage once the existing cook stove has been improved and the
poor has experienced its benefits in terms of saved time for
women, cash for those who may buy the fuel wood and improved
indoor air ... Then on a later stage one can introduce LPG...
Other than affordability, availability is yet another issue and
then price control would be third one. You need training on the
use of LPG stoves first as if women do not know it completely
then they may kill themselves besides burning the houses... You
need special training to change the gas bottle once this is
empty... Also the regulator is yet another lacuna , if not fixed
properly then gas will be gone and then the family may starve
???<br>
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On 03-Oct-2015, at 5:09 AM, Anh Nguyen <<a
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<p dir="ltr">Dear All,</p>
<p dir="ltr">I dont think that would solve anything. There are
2 problems with the poor, access to service and afford
service. I dont think a poor family having lpg stoves would
meant that they will switch to use lpg for cooking unless
lpg is the cheapest or at least highly affordable compare to
the income.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Vietnam has very good lpg stoves coverage, ~95%
rural family that we talked to has lpg stove using 12kg plg
tank. But most of them use that 12kg for 3-6 months, some
cases up to 12-18 months while city folks use same tank for
20-30days. </p>
<p dir="ltr">That a good thing that the Indian PM do but that
is not enough to solve the root of the problem, not yet.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Anh</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Oct 2, 2015 19:21, "Paul Anderson"
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> Stovers,<br>
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This came today from Kirk Smith's [stove] listserv, and
is of interest to all Stovers.<br>
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Is this a Market Systems Approach? What can be done on
a similar note for biomass stoves?<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
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Email: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu" target="_blank">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>
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Today is Gandhi's Birthday, a national holiday in
India. See below how the Prime Minister is spending
his day appropriately -- officially giving 5000
below-poverty-line families new LPG connections in
Jharkhand, one of the poorest states of India (and
gaining political credit by doing so). The subsidies
going with these connections were given up by
middle-class households and transferred to the BPL
families as part of the ambitions "GIve it Up"
campaign underway since April So far, well more than
3 million households have given up their subsidies,
amounting to something like a 200 million USD shift of
resources from the rich* to the poor. The BPL
families are given a stove and their first cylinder
from Social Responsibility funds by the major oil
companies in the country. The expectation is that 10
million households worth of subsidy will shift before
long -- rising at 30,000 a day I was told yesterday.<br>
<br>
This is a sea change in the landscape of clean fuel
access and a great opportunity for creative research
designs to evaluate the health and other benefits and
to follow stacking and other behavior changes.<br>
<br>
More soon, but happy Gandhiji's birthday/k<br>
<br>
* Actually, I was told that very few of the truly rich
have given up their subsidies -- it is mostly the
middle class. Sounds familiar -- it is the rich who
have the highest expectations of public subsidy in my
country too.<br>
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