<html><head></head><body lang="en-GB" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); line-height: initial;"> <div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Yes especially if the idea is clearly described and there are conference proceedings on the Web. ETHOS proceedings are a good example. </div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Remember that to get a patent there has to be an inventive step that is not 'obvious'. Everything discussed and shared here at Bioenergylists is in the public domain because it is a public place, searchable without being able to post messages. </div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">It is pretty good protection for ideas. Remember that the idea should be clearly described with drawings. Then the idea can be incorporated into a product freely. Remember that doesn't prevent someone patenting it - filing papers - because some countries don't inspect, it is up to you if you want to spend money. When it comes to enforcement of the patent (signing a contract or preventing someone using it) the previous publication is prior art. </div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">There is nothing wrong with putting your name on the invention as part of the record. Academics do that all the time. There is nothing wrong with giving credit where it is due. :) </div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Andrew's comment about the sealed envelope is not good enough unfortunately. If it remains a secret, it is still patentable by the first person who files it. The law has recently changed in the US to allow that, even if someone else can prove they invented it first but kept it secret. The sealed envelope is still secret. </div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">As a technique it has been criticised because once the envelope is opened, the 'proof' is undone, as it were. It was suggested as a method for protecting copyright on documents but it has the same problem of only being usable once. Copyright (on drawings, for example) exists without you doing anything, but I was taught by the great Bill Shaw, inventor of the IMAX projector, that the first thing that you write on a piece of paper is the date. <span style="font-size: initial; line-height: initial; text-align: initial;"> I add a signature. Every time. </span></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">One last thing is that if you record things in a notebook, like a lab manual, and you discover something important, have a trusted friend see and check the work from time to time and sign the book along the way. In some jurisdictions it matters if you decide to patent something. </div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Regards </div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Crispin </div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br></div><div id="_originalContent" style=""><div dir="ltr"><div><div>Thanks Crispin;<br><br></div>Do you think that presenting at a conference a diagram of one's stove, plus a few photographs of people using would be sufficient to keep the idea in the public domain?<br><br></div><div><br></div>Julien.<br clear="all"><div><div><div><br>-- <br><div class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr">Julien Winter<br>Cobourg, ON, CANADA<br></div></div></div></div></div></div>
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