<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">Frank et al</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">      </span>Those of us working on char-making stoves (a category bigger than TLUDs ) don’t have the “<i class="">don’t know what to do with” problem. </i> Even better is that they seem cleaner and are apt to save time and money (maybe make money).  The issue is reporting -  if you feel such a stove (stove not char-maker) has merit.  What is your answer to my two questions?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Ron</div><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Nov 23, 2015, at 12:36 AM, Frank Shields <<a href="mailto:franke@cruzio.com" class="">franke@cruzio.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Dear Ron,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">If your task is to make char your calculations is dry weight of fuel IN and weight of char (DAF) OUT. Boiling water is just something to do so you can have a cup of tea while you wait. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">If your task is boiling water and you are left with char you have a byproduct to add to your garden. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">If you want both I suggest you place an importance on each (percentage of importance) for the span of a year or season. Then with each run you keep track of the char produced and water boiled and try to achieve your percentage ratio. At the end of the year you may need to just boil off some water to get more char or have left over char you don’t know what to do with. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Regards</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Frank</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Frank Shields</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Nov 22, 2015, at 9:36 PM, Ronal W. Larson <<a href="mailto:rongretlarson@comcast.net" class="">rongretlarson@comcast.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">Lloyd et al:  Adding “stoves - as that is where we have had a similar dialog in the past</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">     </span>I promised an example.  Use energy of wood and charcoal as measured to be 18 and 30 MJ/kg - both possible.)</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">   </span>Assume 1 kg of wood into the stove - or 18 MJ.  </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">      </span>Assume water boiling away calculates to 6 MJ;   Effic1 = 6/18  = 33%  (Some say stop here; this is a typical number for many stoves including TLUDs)</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">        </span>Assume (to get easy numbers) 26.7% (a little high but a possible number) by weight char production - gives .267* 30 = 8 MJ in the char.   Effic2 = 8/18 = .444 = 44%,  </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">  </span> Using the pyrolysis gases in the denominator -  Effic 3 = 6/(18-8) = 6/10 = 60%  (This use of the char energy in the denominator is the most common way of handling char- added (60-33 =) 27% to the reported value of the stove - )</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">       </span>But  I think it more proper to add the first two efficiencies: Effic4 = Effic1+ Effic 2 = .333+.444 = .777  (17.7% bigger than the 60% value - and I think also an honest way to look at what is going on.  Last I saw,  EPA did not add these together, but they did report Effic 1 and Effic 2.  Sales people for biochar and TLUDs are apt to add them of course.   We obviously want both numbers to be as high as possible.</div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">       </span></div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">  </span>The losses are 18-6-8 = 4 MJ  or 4/18= 22.2%  (mostly hot gases).  This is what we should be concentrating on - not 100-60 = 40%.  In inefficiency terms, I claim the losses we want to reduce are nowhere near 40% - if you want both char and water boiled away.  40% is the portion of energy in the pyrolysis gases that we failed to capture.  </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>If we burnt the wood (no resultant char) rather than pyrolyze it, we might expect to have a 60% efficient stove - but no-one measures any wood stove that high.  Why not?  I don’t have a good answer, but suspect it might relate to how hydrogen fits in.  That is - with little hydrogen in the char, the hot gases are more hydrogen rich with a pyrolysis stove.  Better heat transfer with more hydrogen?  A hotter flame?    Or is the effect due to oxygen - which also is a lower percentage in char than in wood?   Or both?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">      </span>Comments appreciated when we are striving to make char in a stove:</div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">                                                </span> Q1: are the losses 22%, 40%, or 67%?</div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">                                        </span>      Q2:  Is the efficiency 78%, 60%, or 33%?</div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">   </span></div><div class="">Ron</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><br class=""><div class=""><div class="">On Nov 22, 2015, at 5:40 PM, Lloyd Helferty <<a href="mailto:lhelferty@sympatico.ca" class="">lhelferty@sympatico.ca</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite" class="">
  
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    Thanks, Ron.<br class="">
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      I know nothing about the Jetter/EPA total efficiency
    calculation(s) that "use the char’s energy value".<br class="">
    Could you elaborate?<br class="">
      Is the Jetter/EPA total efficiency calculation your preferred
    methodology as a <i class="">next step</i> to the "WBT"?<br class="">
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    (Yes, I am quite out of touch with the latest in "Stove testing"
    methodologies. What "efficiency" methodology does the GACC currently
    endorse when testing stoves that produce biochar? Is it still an
    open question?)<br class="">
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    Regards,<br class="">
    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">  Lloyd Helferty, Engineering Technologist
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"Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, Nothing is going to get better. It's not."
 — Dr. Seuss (The Lorax)</pre>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2015-11-22 3:13 PM, Ronal W. Larson
      wrote:<br class="">
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      <div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">     </span>I
        am imagining a charcoal-making stove owner who has 2 clients to
        whom she sells charcoal.  One client (A) burns the char; the
        other (B) uses it as biochar.  How can one say the stove has two
        different efficiencies?</div>
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      <div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">     </span>But
        another argument is that if all the produced char is used by C
        as biochar - it must be that the char’s soil value exceeded the
        energy value.  So perhaps the efficiency value for client C
        should be even better than for case A.    This soil use for the
        char is where I think we are heading.</div>
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      <div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">     </span>In
        sum, I see no reason to do other than use the char’s energy
        value when calculating a total efficiency - as is being done by
        Jetter/EPA/</div>
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      <div class="">Ron</div>
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          <div class="">On Nov 22, 2015, at 7:48 AM, Lloyd Helferty<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:lhelferty@sympatico.ca" class=""></a> [biochar] <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:biochar@yahoogroups.com" class=""></a><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:biochar@yahoogroups.com">biochar@yahoogroups.com</a>>
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                    font-family: Georgia;" class=""><p style="line-height: 1.22em; margin: 0px 0px 1em;" class="">Ron,<br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">
                      <br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">
                        In reading that quoted/highlighted paragraph, my
                      expectation is that the term, "<i style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><font style="line-height: 1.22em;" size="3" class=""><span style="line-height: 1.22em;
                            background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); color:
                            rgb(46, 46, 46);" class="">utilizing<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></font></i><font style="line-height: 1.22em;" size="3" class=""><span style="line-height: 1.22em; background-color:
                          rgb(255, 255, 255); color: rgb(46, 46, 46);" class="">the<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><b style="line-height: 1.22em; color: rgb(46, 46,
                          46);" class=""><u style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">charcoal</u></b></font>"
                      (..."should be considered as a useful energy") is<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">probably</i><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>meant to
                      assume that the leftover/residual charcoal would
                      subsequently be utilized as a<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">fuel</b>, and
                      probably not as<b style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">biochar</b>. 
                      If the resulting charcoal is used in a non-energy
                      application (i.e. as biochar) then one does not
                      normally talk about or refer to, "the<u style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><i style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">energy</i></u><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>stored in
                      the charcoal" as being "useful" anymore, if one
                      considers the classical [non-regenerative /
                      linear] energy models.  (Of course if one
                      understands the use of biochar from a holistic**
                      perspective, it can make sense to use biochar in a
                      non-fuel application if that application results
                      in a boost to the actual [biomass] fuel -- and
                      food --<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">production
                        capabilities</i><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>of the
                      soil from which the original stove 'fuel' was
                      derived... but of course those are more complex
                      calculations that must also consider time and a
                      number of other variables which are not normally
                      taken into consideration.)<br style="line-height:
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                      <br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">
                      **Note: If considered in this holistic perspective
                      / context, the use of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">soil-health
                        enhancing</i><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>materials
                      like biochar will very likely eventually be a<i style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">prerequisite</i><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>of the
                      very definition of "sustainable" biofuels /
                      biomaterials.<br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">
                      <br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">
                      CC: Biochar group<br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">
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                      Regards,<br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">
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                      1.22em;">On 2015-11-22 3:58 AM, Ron Larson wrote:<br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">
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                        <div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">Professor Jain</div>
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                        <div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="line-height: 1.22em; white-space: pre;">     </span>1.
                            Thank you for a tremendously useful
                          document.  Especially that you (Elsevier?,
                          TERI?) have made it available on a non-fee
                          basis (for a<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><u style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">SHORT</u><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>time).</b></div>
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                        <div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="line-height: 1.22em; font-weight: bold; white-space: pre;">  </span>2.
                             I am a little surprised (and delighted)
                          that I received this on the climate change
                          list.   I am alerting four other lists who
                          will also find this most useful.</div>
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                        <div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="line-height: 1.22em; white-space: pre;">     </span>3.
                             To me, interested in both climate change
                          (through biochar - not mentioned) and stoves,
                          the most important sentence in
                          your exceedingly thorough (161 cites) is this
                          partial paragraph in Section 2.3.1 (emphases
                          added):</div>
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                        <div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><span style="line-height: 1.22em;
                            background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><font style="line-height: 1.22em;" size="3" color="#2e2e2e" face="Arial, Helvetica,
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                                  energy expenditure in the form of fuel
                                  for boiling and evaporating water is
                                  calculated by standardizing the amount
                                  of raw fuel with fuel moisture
                                  content, ambient temperature,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></i></font><i style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><b style="line-height: 1.22em; color:
                                rgb(46, 46, 46); font-size: 16px;" class=""><u style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">charcoal</u></b><font style="line-height: 1.22em;" size="3" color="#2e2e2e" face="Arial, Helvetica,
                                Lucida Sans Unicode, Microsoft Sans
                                Serif, Segoe UI Symbol, STIXGeneral,
                                Cambria Math, Arial Unicode MS,
                                sans-serif" class=""><span style="line-height:
                                  1.22em;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>formed
                                  fuel and calorific value of fuel and<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></font><b style="line-height: 1.22em; color:
                                rgb(46, 46, 46);" class=""><u style="line-height:
                                  1.22em;" class="">charcoal</u></b><font style="line-height: 1.22em;" size="3" color="#2e2e2e" face="Arial, Helvetica,
                                Lucida Sans Unicode, Microsoft Sans
                                Serif, Segoe UI Symbol, STIXGeneral,
                                Cambria Math, Arial Unicode MS,
                                sans-serif" class=""><span style="line-height:
                                  1.22em;" class="">. This is called the
                                  ‘equivalent dry wood consumed’.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></font><b style="line-height: 1.22em; color:
                                rgb(46, 46, 46);" class="">Charcoal</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><font style="line-height: 1.22em;" size="3" color="#2e2e2e" face="Arial, Helvetica,
                                Lucida Sans Unicode, Microsoft Sans
                                Serif, Segoe UI Symbol, STIXGeneral,
                                Cambria Math, Arial Unicode MS,
                                sans-serif" class=""><span style="line-height:
                                  1.22em;" class="">utilization after the cooking
                                  process in real households has not
                                  been validated in any of the studies.
                                  If the<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></font><b style="line-height: 1.22em; color:
                                rgb(46, 46, 46); font-size: 16px;" class=""><u style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">charcoal</u></b><font style="line-height: 1.22em;" size="3" color="#2e2e2e" face="Arial, Helvetica,
                                Lucida Sans Unicode, Microsoft Sans
                                Serif, Segoe UI Symbol, STIXGeneral,
                                Cambria Math, Arial Unicode MS,
                                sans-serif" class=""><span style="line-height:
                                  1.22em;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>disposed
                                  by targeted population then the fuel
                                  consumption can be corrected.  </span></font></i></span><i style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><font style="line-height: 1.22em;" size="3" class=""><span style="line-height: 1.22em; color:
                                rgb(46, 46, 46);" class=""> </span><span style="line-height: 1.22em;
                                background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);
                                color: rgb(46, 46, 46);" class="">If a certain
                                community has a habit of utilizing the<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><b style="line-height: 1.22em; color:
                                rgb(46, 46, 46);" class=""><u style="line-height:
                                  1.22em;" class="">charcoal</u></b><span style="line-height: 1.22em;
                                background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);
                                color: rgb(46, 46, 46);" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>then </span></font><font style="line-height: 1.22em;" color="#2e2e2e" face="Arial, Helvetica,
                              Lucida Sans Unicode, Microsoft Sans Serif,
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                                14px;" class="">..</span></font></i></div>
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                            Microsoft Sans Serif, Segoe UI Symbol,
                            STIXGeneral, Cambria Math, Arial Unicode MS,
                            sans-serif" class=""><span style="line-height:
                              1.22em; font-size: 14px;" class=""><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">
                            </span></font></div>
                        <div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><i style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><span style="line-height: 1.22em; font-size:
                              x-large; background-color: rgb(255, 255,
                              255); color: rgb(46, 46, 46);" class="">t<u style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><b style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">he energy
                                  stored in the<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></u></span><u style="line-height: 1.22em; font-size:
                              x-large; color: rgb(46, 46, 46);" class=""><b style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">charcoal</b></u><span style="line-height: 1.22em; font-size:
                              x-large; background-color: rgb(255, 255,
                              255); color: rgb(46, 46, 46);" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><u style="line-height: 1.22em; font-size:
                              x-large; color: rgb(46, 46, 46);" class=""><b style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">should be
                                considered as a useful energy</b></u><span style="line-height: 1.22em;
                              background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><font style="line-height: 1.22em;" size="5" color="#2e2e2e" face="Arial, Helvetica,
                                Lucida Sans Unicode, Microsoft Sans
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                                Cambria Math, Arial Unicode MS,
                                sans-serif" class=""><span style="line-height:
                                  1.22em;" class="">.</span><span style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">”</span><span style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""> </span></font></span></i></div>
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                        <div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="line-height: 1.22em; white-space: pre;">     </span>4.
                           As I know you know, there is more than one
                          way to report the impact of charcoal
                          production in stove comparisons.  Examples
                          coming.</div>
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                        <div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="line-height: 1.22em; white-space: pre;">     </span>5.
                           I could not find an email address for Ms.
                          (Dr?) Pooja Arora.  I intend to look up other
                          papers she and you have published.  Please
                          congratulate her as well.</div>
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                        <div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">Again, thanks
                          for a very useful stove assessment document.
                           I am aware of nothing like it.</div>
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                        <div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">Ron
                           (first/past “stove” and “biochar” lists
                          coordinator)</div>
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                          <div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">On Nov 21,
                            2015, at 10:09 PM, S. Jain (Env. Engg.)
                            wrote:</div>
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                                        development in cookstove
                                        assessment methods: Challenges
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                                    intended to collect and collate the
                                    information related to cookstove
                                    testing methodologies applied in lab
                                    and field conditions and their
                                    output in the form of energy and
                                    emission parameters. The important
                                    information related to progression
                                    of cookstove testing techniques was
                                    segregated in order to understand
                                    the relationships in different
                                    indicators of cookstove performance
                                    and to understand the sources of
                                    uncertainty in emission data. The
                                    major research issue that has been
                                    dwelt upon in the recent literature
                                    is the establishment of relationship
                                    between lab and field results of
                                    cookstove performance. It is
                                    observed that controlled cooking
                                    test and kitchen performance test
                                    are the two field based tests which
                                    provide a better picture of a
                                    particular cookstove performance as
                                    it involves the user perspective.
                                    Misrepresentation of actual
                                    cookstove performance based on
                                    laboratory based testing puts the
                                    present standard protocols in
                                    question. Solutions have been put
                                    forward by some research studies;
                                    however a validation is needed
                                    through multiple scientific
                                    investigations conducted at various
                                    temporal and spatial scales. It has
                                    been observed that cookstove testing
                                    methodologies are still in their
                                    nascent stage compared to the
                                    research that has already been
                                    conducted for other sources where
                                    biomass combustion emissions have
                                    studied thoroughly. Still the shift
                                    in focus of upcoming research
                                    studies towards field based
                                    integrated cookstove testing
                                    methodologies has the potential to
                                    drive future cookstove research in
                                    the new direction.</span></div>
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