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I have no problem with the proposal conceptually provided there is a different name, hopefully a standard definition, for something that has a combined product within it. </div>
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As Brian notes, using the incorrect term can be 'misleading' and that is the core problem faced by financiers. They ask one question and get an answer to another. This is not semantic, it is cheating. </div>
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In case an argument is presented that 'it is a small difference so it doesn't matter' use the example of the Quad II test for which the spreadsheet and analysis are available. Applying the WBT 4.2.x version of the 'thermal efficiency' the figure is in the 30's
 and the actual energy efficiency is 19%. The latter figure is the heat gained by the pot divided by the energy in the mass of fuel consumed per replication of the test. </div>
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We had a classroom session on this very topic at the Chinese Agricultural University's College of Engineering today to look at the analysis of a two stove system such as that presented by Christ's Roth in Accra on the 7th. You were there. She showed slides
 of a stove that made char and then converted to a char burning stove with the addition of a major metal component. This I would classify as a 'separate device'. It could just as easily be a second charcoal stove. </div>
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Analysing the two as a cooking system requires analysing each separately first. Doing that forces the tester to 'follow the energy'‎. It quickly becomes apparent that the correct term is 'energy efficiency' because we find eight energy paths involved, only
 two of which lead to the pots. The system can be given an overall rating by following the total energy into the first stove and the total received by the pots (work done). </div>
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Any unburned gases or fuel ultimately not burned represent losses whether it is in the ash or buried in the ground. Some stoves have high CO; some have a lot of carbon in the ash. It depends. They are losses. </div>
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PS I again refer you all to the CSI China document, Ch 3 for the energy flow chart prepared by CAU grad students which has a number of very useful formulas describing these different scenarios. It is on the WB website. See previous correspondence.
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The comment below from Brian to one Listserv merits being sent to the Stoves Listserv and Biocharstoves Listserv.   Brian's comments make a lot of sense.   Let's discuss further and see if some "implementation" can result. 
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I hope that Ron will filter and coordinate any such discussions because there are numerous listservs to which the messages need to be circulated at least occasionally.   There should be assistance from the rest of us, especially if implementation is to occur.<br>
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<pre class="x_moz-signature" cols="72">Doc  /  Dr TLUD  /  Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD  
Email:  <a class="x_moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>   
Skype: paultlud      Phone: +1-309-452-7072
Website:  <a class="x_moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.drtlud.com">www.drtlud.com</a></pre>
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<div>I don’t see a problem with reporting the higher efficiency values as long as it’s made clear what is included in that number. As an example, combined heat and power (CHP) plants typically report high efficiencies because they are factoring in the energy
 from the heat plus the energy from the electricity, but the name implies they are capturing both. A char making stove that is also heating water is essentially a miniature CHP plant if you think of the char as the “power’' output, but it would need to be labeled
 as such. It’s a matter of semantics, but if a unit is marketed as a char maker or a stove then the higher efficiency numbers might be misleading. If it’s marketed as or intended to be a combined heat and char maker (CHC stove?) then the higher number makes
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<div><b>From:</b> <a title="biochar@yahoogroups.com" href="mailto:biochar@yahoogroups.com">
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<div><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, November 24, 2015 5:38 AM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">
Discussion of biomass</a> </div>
<div><b>Cc:</b> <a title="sureshjiitd@gmail.com" href="mailto:sureshjiitd@gmail.com">
S. Jain (Env. Engg.)</a> ; <a title="biocharstoves-7xpll@wiggiomail.com" href="mailto:biocharstoves-7xpll@wiggiomail.com">
Entire Group</a> ; <a title="biochar@yahoogroups.com" href="mailto:biochar@yahoogroups.com">
Biochar</a> </div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Stoves] [biochar] [biochar-stoves] A review of chronological development in cookstove assessment methods: Challenges and way forward</div>
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<div><span class="x_Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"></span>Those of us working on char-making stoves (a category bigger than TLUDs ) don’t have the “<i>don’t know what to do with” problem.
</i>Even better is that they seem cleaner and are apt to save time and money (maybe make money).  The issue is reporting -  if you feel such a stove (stove not char-maker) has merit.  What is your answer to my two questions?</div>
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<div>If your task is to make char your calculations is dry weight of fuel IN and weight of char (DAF) OUT. Boiling water is just something to do so you can have a cup of tea while you wait.
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<div>If your task is boiling water and you are left with char you have a byproduct to add to your garden.
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<div>If you want both I suggest you place an importance on each (percentage of importance) for the span of a year or season. Then with each run you keep track of the char produced and water boiled and try to achieve your percentage ratio. At the end of the
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<div>Lloyd et al:  Adding “stoves - as that is where we have had a similar dialog in the past</div>
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<div><span class="x_Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"></span>I promised an example.  Use energy of wood and charcoal as measured to be 18 and 30 MJ/kg - both possible.)</div>
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<div><span class="x_Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"></span>Assume 1 kg of wood into the stove - or 18 MJ. 
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<div><span class="x_Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"></span>Assume (to get easy numbers) 26.7% (a little high but a possible number) by weight char production - gives .267* 30 = 8 MJ in the char.   Effic2 = 8/18 = .444 = 44%, 
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<div><span class="x_Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"></span>Using the pyrolysis gases in the denominator -  Effic 3 = 6/(18-8) = 6/10 = 60%  (This use of the char energy in the denominator is the most common way of handling char- added (60-33 =) 27%
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<div><span class="x_Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"></span>But  I think it more proper to add the first two efficiencies: Effic4 = Effic1+ Effic 2 = .333+.444 = .777  (17.7% bigger than the 60% value - and I think also an honest way to look at what
 is going on.  Last I saw,  EPA did not add these together, but they did report Effic 1 and Effic 2.  Sales people for biochar and TLUDs are apt to add them of course.   We obviously want both numbers to be as high as possible.</div>
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<div><span class="x_Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"></span>The losses are 18-6-8 = 4 MJ  or 4/18= 22.2%  (mostly hot gases).  This is what we should be concentrating on - not 100-60 = 40%.  In inefficiency terms, I claim the losses we want to reduce
 are nowhere near 40% - if you want both char and water boiled away.  40% is the portion of energy in the pyrolysis gases that we failed to capture. 
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 answer, but suspect it might relate to how hydrogen fits in.  That is - with little hydrogen in the char, the hot gases are more hydrogen rich with a pyrolysis stove.  Better heat transfer with more hydrogen?  A hotter flame?    Or is the effect due to oxygen
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<div><span class="x_Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"></span>Q1: are the losses 22%, 40%, or 67%?</div>
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  I know nothing about the Jetter/EPA total efficiency calculation(s) that "use the char’s energy value".<br>
Could you elaborate?<br>
  Is the Jetter/EPA total efficiency calculation your preferred methodology as a <i>
next step</i> to the "WBT"?<br>
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(Yes, I am quite out of touch with the latest in "Stove testing" methodologies. What "efficiency" methodology does the GACC currently endorse when testing stoves that produce biochar? Is it still an open question?)<br>
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<pre class="x_moz-signature" cols="72">  Lloyd Helferty, Engineering Technologist
  Principal, Biochar Consulting (Canada)
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  Earth Stewardship consultant, Passive Remediation Systems Ltd. (PRSI)
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  Promotions Manager, Climate Smart Agriculture Youth Network (CSAYN)
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  Steering Committee coordinator
  Canadian Biochar Initiative (CBI)
  Community Sustainability (CoSWoG), A working group of Science for Peace
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  President, Co-founder & CBI Liaison, Biochar-Ontario
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<div><span class="x_Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"></span>I am imagining a charcoal-making stove owner who has 2 clients to whom she sells charcoal.  One client (A) burns the char; the other (B) uses it as biochar.  How can one say the stove has two
 different efficiencies?</div>
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<div><span class="x_Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"></span>But another argument is that if all the produced char is used by C as biochar - it must be that the char’s soil value exceeded the energy value.  So perhaps the efficiency value for client C
 should be even better than for case A.    This soil use for the char is where I think we are heading.</div>
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<div><span class="x_Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"></span>In sum, I see no reason to do other than use the char’s energy value when calculating a total efficiency - as is being done by Jetter/EPA/</div>
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<div>On Nov 22, 2015, at 7:48 AM, Lloyd Helferty [biochar] <<a class="x_moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:biochar@yahoogroups.com"></a><a class="x_moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:biochar@yahoogroups.com">biochar@yahoogroups.com</a>> wrote:</div>
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  In reading that quoted/highlighted paragraph, my expectation is that the term, "<i><font size="3"><span style="color:rgb(46,46,46); background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">utilizing<span class="x_Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></font></i><font size="3"><span style="color:rgb(46,46,46); background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">the<span class="x_Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><b style="color:rgb(46,46,46)"><u>charcoal</u></b></font>"
 (..."should be considered as a useful energy") is<span class="x_Apple-converted-space"> </span><i>probably</i><span class="x_Apple-converted-space"> </span>meant to assume that the leftover/residual charcoal would subsequently be utilized as a<span class="x_Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>fuel</b>,
 and probably not as<b>biochar</b>.  If the resulting charcoal is used in a non-energy application (i.e. as biochar) then one does not normally talk about or refer to, "the<u><i>energy</i></u><span class="x_Apple-converted-space"> </span>stored in the charcoal"
 as being "useful" anymore, if one considers the classical [non-regenerative / linear] energy models.  (Of course if one understands the use of biochar from a holistic** perspective, it can make sense to use biochar in a non-fuel application if that application
 results in a boost to the actual [biomass] fuel -- and food --<span class="x_Apple-converted-space"> </span><i>production capabilities</i><span class="x_Apple-converted-space"> </span>of the soil from which the original stove 'fuel' was derived... but of course
 those are more complex calculations that must also consider time and a number of other variables which are not normally taken into consideration.)<br>
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**Note: If considered in this holistic perspective / context, the use of<span class="x_Apple-converted-space"> </span><i>soil-health enhancing</i><span class="x_Apple-converted-space"> </span>materials like biochar will very likely eventually be a<i>prerequisite</i><span class="x_Apple-converted-space"> </span>of
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<div><span class="x_Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"></span>1.   Thank you for a tremendously useful document.  Especially that you (Elsevier?, TERI?) have made it available on a non-fee basis (for a<span class="x_Apple-converted-space"> </span><b><u>SHORT</u><span class="x_Apple-converted-space"> </span>time).</b></div>
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<div><span class="x_Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre; font-weight:bold"></span>2.    I am a little surprised (and delighted) that I received this on the climate change list.   I am alerting four other lists who will also find this most useful.</div>
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<div><span class="x_Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"></span>3.    To me, interested in both climate change (through biochar - not mentioned) and stoves, the most important sentence in your exceedingly thorough (161 cites) is this partial paragraph in
 Section 2.3.1 (emphases added):</div>
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 by targeted population then the fuel consumption can be corrected.  </span></font></i></span><i><font size="3"><span style="color:rgb(46,46,46)"> </span><span style="color:rgb(46,46,46); background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">If a certain community has a habit
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<div><i><span style="font-size:x-large; color:rgb(46,46,46); background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">t<u><b>he energy stored in the<span class="x_Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></u></span><u style="font-size:x-large; color:rgb(46,46,46)"><b>charcoal</b></u><span style="font-size:x-large; color:rgb(46,46,46); background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span class="x_Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><u style="font-size:x-large; color:rgb(46,46,46)"><b>should
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<div><span class="x_Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"></span>5.  I could not find an email address for Ms. (Dr?) Pooja Arora.  I intend to look up other papers she and you have published.  Please congratulate her as well.</div>
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<div>Again, thanks for a very useful stove assessment document.  I am aware of nothing like it.</div>
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