<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Dear Crispin,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The pots are more easily tested it seems than flat metal plates or heat in ovens so that is where I was thinking the block would be of more value. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Interesting set of fuels. Very diverse and challenging. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Regards</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Frank</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Dec 2, 2015, at 11:33 AM, Crispin Pemberton-Pigott <<a href="mailto:crispinpigott@outlook.com" class="">crispinpigott@outlook.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">
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Pots are different in material and mass but we can easily normalise for that by using the mass and specific heat. For colour, the heat loss can easily be measured (paper forthcoming).</div>
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The losses from the pot are the only thing that has to be overcome to simmer and at the moment it is not even included in the formula. </div>
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So the metal block is not good. It would be like using an empty pot. We can do much better. What really matters is the diameter because the diameter, as repeatedly shown, changes the performance of some stoves by changing the air flow through it. </div>
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The pseudo pot just creates combustion conditions. I already know what the steady state thermal efficiency is from lab tests (59%).
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We learn from this simple test: power, stability, fuel capacity, char production, duration and if I wanted, control, but I didn't do that.
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I said I would come to Dushanbe and talked about the design of a rural space heating stove. I will provide some social science inputs so everyone can follow along to give ideas. The first item is fuels: local not so good coal, good imported coal, wood, cotton
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Tomorrow I will measure a couple of installed stove efficiencies to get a glimpse of their heating efficiency. There are numerous models on the market. They have to be cheap, meaning under $100. </div>
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Therefore each lab doing the tests would be need to receive and use the same style pot? Rather than a pseudo pot? That would be more representative.
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<div class="">The other tasks are not that simple. Heat going into an oven. Heat at the surface of a griddle. Not sure the thermo transfer of heat through a block of iron but something to capture the heat then measuring what is captured might work for pseudo
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<div class="">Many tests use a Standard to compare results against. Growing cucumbers we have a standard potting mix then compare the growth of cucumber plants using high dose of the test compost in the mix and compare to the growth and health to the standard.
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<div class="">Dushanbe? You are getting around and because of it I am learning a lot about geography. </div>
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I believe this has nothing to do with this stove. It is just an idea presented of how we might go about testing stoves and the terminology being used. Suggesting the same method can be used on other types of stoves. The pseudo pot is likely a flat metal plate
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The plate is heated until water drops spatter on the surface. Then a cube of iron 10cm X 10cm X 10cm is placed on the plate for the time duration found to cook a pot of rice. Then the block is removed and placed into a bucket of water and the temperature rise
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