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Julien,<br>
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It is great to see your systematic approach to these issues. <br>
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Paul<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/26/2016 10:01 AM, Marquitusus
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<div dir="ltr">Very interesting Julian.<br>
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Have you registered (or noticed) any mixing improvement with
this prototype over the non counter-current ones? I suppose
better mixing shoud be noticed as higher temperatures
registered. Have you measured anything like this?<br>
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Marc<br>
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Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 20:04:58 -0500<br>
To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br>
Subject: Re: [Stoves] Riser Height and a 'Counter-Current'
Woodgas Burner - YouTube Vid<br>
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<div>Julian,</div>
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<div id="ecxAppleMailSignature">Interesting video. </div>
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<div id="ecxAppleMailSignature">1. I would try this with a
flame retention disc rather than a central hole. I view
central holes above fuel bed as a fundamental error. I know
central holes are the given wisdom, but I view them as the
source of problems that can not be overcome. They are a
barrier to better achievements.</div>
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<div id="ecxAppleMailSignature">2. I would strive for the
maximum amount of blue flame. I did not see any in your
video. People want to cook with blue flames. Aspirational.</div>
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<div id="ecxAppleMailSignature">3. Perhaps an hour glass type
device might work? Could be asymmetrical?</div>
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<div id="ecxAppleMailSignature">Cheers,</div>
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On Jan 25, 2016, at 7:10 PM, Julien Winter <<a
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal">Hi all;</p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal">I have posted a video on YouTube
on Riser Height and a 'Counter-Current' burner that
continues on the theme of discussions earlier this
month about premixed flames.<br>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://youtu.be/KzYUzJPM3eQ" target="_blank">https://youtu.be/KzYUzJPM3eQ</a></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal">The purpose of this video is to
demonstrate the importance
of riser height on the function of a natural draft,
top-lit updraft gasifier
using the “Counter-Current Woodgas Burner” (CCWB).<span
style=""> </span>Riser height affects the flow
rate of both
primary and secondary air, and the degree of turbulent
mixing of woodgas with
secondary air.<span style=""> </span>Increasing
riser height creates
greater buoyancy forces that can improve the
efficiency of stove combustion,
and stove responsiveness for the operator, but it can
lead to excessive secondary
air, and excessive turbulence under some conditions.</p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal">With a true counter-current
burner, the fuel gas and
oxidizer gas collide head-on.<span style=""> </span>This
is
more-or-less what happens with the CCWB, because a
downward laminar flow of
secondary air is sent against the upward flow of
woodgas.<span style=""> </span>However, it is not a
perfect counter-current
burner, because a lot of the secondary air is pulled
sideways by the buoyancy
force created in the gas flame.</p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal">The main objective of the CCWB
is to get a much turbulent
mixing of secondary air and woodgas at the base of the
gas flame as
possible.<span style=""> </span>We are trying to
approach an
ideal of a pre-mixed flame at somewhat above (to be
determined) the
stoichiometric requirement for oxygen.</p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal">The second objective of the CCWB
is to locate the base of the
flame over the fuel bed char.<span style=""> </span>Some
secondary
air supports glowing char, and sustains a higher
temperature in the
fuel bed, from the ignition front up to the top of the
char, than would be
obtained if the secondary air and the gas flame were
located at some distance
above the fuel bed.<span style=""> </span>Glowing
char
can help with cracking of tars, and provide heat to
assist in the piloting of gas
ignition.<span style=""> </span>This helps maintain
woodgas
flame stability at low gasification rates.</p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal">Some modifications of the CCWB
have been tried, but did not
show much benefit.<span style=""> </span>(1) A ring
of small air
holes (of various numbers and diameters) in the
sidewall of the reactor were
positioned just below the inner riser.<span style="">
</span>It was thought that these holes would provide
small flamelets that would
keep the gas flame from extinguishing at very low
gasification rates.<span style=""> </span>It was
found that these holes didn’t help,
and functioned more to diminish the role of the
counter-current air flow. (2)<span style=""> </span>Various
fins were made at the bottom of the
internal riser to see if they would increase
turbulence.<span style=""> </span>Fins were found to
be unnecessary.</p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal">The stoves in this video are
prototypes.<span style=""> </span>They are working
hypotheses that need
scientific stove testing to optimize their geometry,
and validate the
counter-current approach. To become working stoves,
they need a regulator for
primary air, an insulated external riser, and
mechanism to transfer the heat to
the pot or other object of work.</p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal">If the CCWB can be shown to
improve combustion efficiency on
diverse biomass fuels, and over a wide range of
gasification rates, that would
be good, because it is a very easy burner to build.</p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal">Cheers,</p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal">Julien.<br>
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