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    To all,<br>
    <br>
    Two messages below from the Stoves Listserv readers are of interest
    to the Biochar List readers.<br>
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    I request from Andrew any links or other guidance to the mentioned
    specific open pit method of Jo(h)n Evelyn in 1862. (There are many
    general references found by searching with Google.)<br>
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      <h3 class="r"><span class="_ogd b w xsm">[PDF]</span><a
href="http://www.wyreforest.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Charcoal-Burning-NW20007.pdf"
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          Burning in Wyre Forest - Wyre Forest Study Group</a></h3>
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              class="_Rm"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.wyreforest.net/.../">www.wyreforest.net/.../</a><b>Charcoal</b>-Burning-NW20007....</cite></div>
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href="https://translate.google.ht/translate?hl=fr&sl=en&u=http://www.wyreforest.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Charcoal-Burning-NW20007.pdf&prev=search"
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                  cette page</a></div>
              <div class="f slp">de N Wilde - ‎<a class="fl"
href="https://scholar.google.com/scholar?biw=1273&bih=653&bav=on.2,or.&bvm=bv.115339255,d.dmo&um=1&ie=UTF-8&lr&cites=1834857601443027934"
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                  3 fois</a> - ‎<a class="fl"
href="https://scholar.google.com/scholar?biw=1273&bih=653&bav=on.2,or.&bvm=bv.115339255,d.dmo&um=1&ie=UTF-8&lr&q=related:3ttvW0S5dhmCIM:scholar.google.com/"
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              <span class="st">the basic method for <em>making charcoal</em>
                as follows. "They cut and ... language was by <em>John
                  Evelyn</em> in his "Sylva" dated. 1664. ... The
                diameter of this old <em>pit</em> used for the 1973
                burn was about .... whole was covered except for the
                chimney <em>opening</em>.</span></div>
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          <h3 class="r"><a
              href="http://mygeologypage.ucdavis.edu/cowen/%7Egel115/115CH11coal.html"
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              Ten: Coal - MyGeologyPage</a></h3>
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href="https://translate.google.ht/translate?hl=fr&sl=en&u=http://mygeologypage.ucdavis.edu/cowen/%7Egel115/115CH11coal.html&prev=search"
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          cette page</a></div>
      <span class="st"><em>Production</em> in the great silver mines of
        Saxony was slowed by water in the ... In Elizabethan and Stuart
        England, prices for wood and <em>charcoal</em> grew faster than
        for .... scars of hundreds of bell-pits clustered in some areas,
        and modern <em>open</em>-<wbr><em>pit</em> ... and <em>John
          Evelyn</em> complained in 1661 in an essay entitled Fumifigium
        about the.</span></blockquote>
    It will be interesting to see if the "flame cap" nomenclature was
    anticipated in those early writings.   I assume that Kelpie (and
    others) will be looking into this and eventually sending us some
    comments on the historical aspects of making charcoal this way.<br>
    <br>
    Paul<br>
    <br>
    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Doc  /  Dr TLUD  /  Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
Email:  <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>
Skype:   paultlud    Phone: +1-309-452-7072
Website:  <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.drtlud.com">www.drtlud.com</a></pre>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/28/2016 4:06 AM,
      <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ajheggie@gmail.com">ajheggie@gmail.com</a> wrote:<br>
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      <pre wrap="">[Default] On Sun, 28 Feb 2016 10:03:30 +0300,Nolbert Muhumuza
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:muhumuza@gmail.com"><muhumuza@gmail.com></a> wrote:

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        <pre wrap="">Just to add a voice.

If such acronym are as confusing in the developed world,  imagine the
effects in the developing world were reading is still limited. Worse still,
we tend to treate such publications for gospel truths.
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I won't comment on what names are chosen but agree about the acronyms,
in the old days papers were manually typed and littered with Three
Letter Acronyms but often the first reference was expanded. In these
days of "find and replace" I don't see any particular need for the
abbreviation.

BTW (By The Way) although Flame Cap may be a modern term Jon Evelyn
wrote about open pit burning for charcoal making in 1682 and I used
the same method but in an open ring kiln in the 1990s, I described it
in an early post here, the char produced was a bit "grey" for sale as
barbecue fuel but ideal for biochar and preferable to burning "lop and
top" to waste, which was a requirement on some forestry estates..

Andrew

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