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To all Stovers,<br>
<br>
The two messages below from China are of interest. They came via
Kirk Smith, and I am sending them onward to the Stoves and Stove
listservs. <br>
<br>
Paul<br>
<br>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
Email: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>
Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072
Website: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.drtlud.com">www.drtlud.com</a></pre>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/25/2016 8:00 PM, Kirk R. Smith
wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Sorry
not to convey these earlier, but we are giving a training
course this week to the Royal Gov of Bhutan and it has been
very hectic. Below are responses from the two major authors
of the paper/k<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Dear
John, Paul, and others,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Thank
you very much for your comments and for the information
provided. Sorry for not reply sooner, since I was on a
business trip and was not able to check and reply my emails
regularly.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">My
group has not get involved directly in standard development.
This study was only one of a series experiments to look at
emissions of air pollutants from various combination of stoves
and fuels and to evaluate potential health impact of solid
fuel cooking in China. The paper is one of many emission
papers published by us (you can find them if interested). <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">As
mentioned by the first author, Mr. Chen, that one of our
collaborators provided us with this opportunity to run this
experiment using a stove we did not test before. Our intention
is to add more diversity to our database, and has no direct
connection to standard development, we would like to
contribute to the process in the future though.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I
have to repeat the statement made by Kirk that China is a
large country with a huge population who are still using solid
fuel for cooking. According to our survey conducted in
2013-2014, more than 40% of rural household were using solid
fuel for cooking up to 2012. The population affected in terms
of health is even higher than the total population of the
United States. Our effort, just like the efforts made by many
other Chinese scientists and even foreign experts, is to
provide sound scientific evidences for policy makers to
develop effective and practical abatement strategy to reduce
its health impacts, without any commercial interest.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">To
us, the field of standard for cooking stove is totally new.
Although we are not familiar with the process, but I would
like to say that the value and benefit of any international
standard will be jeopardized without enough input from China
(and India as well) where a large number of solid fuel cooking
stoves are in operation.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Sincerely
yours,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Prof.
Shu Tao, Peking University<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">-----------------<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Dear
Friends,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Trebuchet
MS","sans-serif"">I am so appreciated that
the research article raised so many interests and debates on
it. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Trebuchet
MS","sans-serif"">Prof. Paul Anderson and
Mitchell John are focusing on the reasonability and
necessity for establishing a general international test. In
my opinion, also stated in the paper, a well-accepted test
is necessity, though there is a long way to go (like Prof.
Anderson said: cost time, money, implementation
expenditures), especially in the so big China or other
developing areas all over the world. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Trebuchet
MS","sans-serif"">When evaluate the
efficiency or emission performance in lab test, the results
would have the comparability if under a same water boiling
test. It is why so many experts around the world are pushing
a well-accepted international test. Their work is
respectable and meaningful. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Trebuchet
MS","sans-serif"">Limited to the lab
condition and resources, we could only compare two protocols
with three typical commercial gasifier cookstoves in the
research paper. Definitely, many other stoves and real
cooking or heating procedures which actually used in rural
China or other countries were not included. And we claimed
no business objectives. In the further study, we should made
more efforts to cover more. In addition, some more
collaborations are very welcomed with all of you, if you
need further solid step in the China field research. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Trebuchet
MS","sans-serif"">Some other comments on the
paper are also very welcome. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Trebuchet
MS","sans-serif"">Many thanks to all of your
attention again!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Trebuchet
MS","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Trebuchet
MS","sans-serif"">Sincerely, <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Trebuchet
MS","sans-serif"">Yuanchen Chen (First
author, supervised by Prof. Shu Tao) <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Trebuchet
MS","sans-serif"">Peking University, <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">-----<span
style="font-family:"MS Gothic"">原始</span><span
style="font-family:MingLiU">邮件</span>-----<br>
<b><span style="font-family:MingLiU">发件人</span>:</b>"Kirk R.
Smith" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:krksmith@berkeley.edu">krksmith@berkeley.edu</a>><br>
<b><span style="font-family:MingLiU">发送时间</span>:</b>2016-03-24
07:29:52 (<span style="font-family:"MS Gothic"">星期
四</span>)<br>
<b><span style="font-family:"MS Gothic"">收件人</span>:</b>
"Tao Shu" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:taos@pku.edu.cn">taos@pku.edu.cn</a>>,
"Yuanchen Chen" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:chenyuanchen1988@gmail.com">chenyuanchen1988@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b><span style="font-family:"MS Gothic"">抄送</span>:</b>
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<b><span style="font-family:"MS Gothic"">主</span></b><b><span
style="font-family:MingLiU">题</span>:</b> FW: Quick
comment on developing international standards -- RE: [stove]
Comparison of stove testing procedures<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Do
you want to respond to the comments on the paper below?
(See my initial response just below ) . If you send to
me, I can convey to the others with a copy to you. It
is ok if you prefer not to respond/k</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
Kirk R. Smith [mailto:</span><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:krksmith@berkeley.edu" target="_blank"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">krksmith@berkeley.edu</span></a><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 23, 2016 6:23 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Dr. N.K.Ganguly:DBT NII'<br>
<b>Cc:</b> '</span><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:stove@lists.berkeley.edu" target="_blank"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">stove@lists.berkeley.edu</span></a><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">';
'Stoves and biofuels network'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: Quick comment on developing
international standards -- RE: [stove] Comparison of
stove testing procedures</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I
have passed these comments on to my Chinese colleagues who
have these concerns. I might add, however, that the work
presented in the paper, which is part of the thesis of the
first author supervised by Prof Tao, the senior author,
supports the benefits of such international efforts that
engage the most knowledgeable independent stakeholders.
A peer-reviewed article with empirical measurements would,
I should think, be a welcome bit of information informing
that process along with many other inputs to be
considered.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Perhaps
China, having had its own methods in place longer than
any other country, can be excused a bit for concerns that
methods and standards being proposed are suited to
conditions there. Also, please keep in mind that journal
articles take some time to come out and information about
such international activities may not reach everyone in
every sector for some time as well. And that China is a
big place – not everyone engaged in stoves will know each
other or be equally connected to efforts elsewhere.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I
am sure no insult was intended about ongoing efforts,
which indeed are welcomed by all of us/k</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">p.s.
As this subject is fairly arcane to most readers of this
listserver, which has been promised to its recipients as
just that, i.e., not a blog with back and forth exchanges,
can I suggest that those interested in this subject go
“offline”. I am happy to be involved in future emails
directed to those with specific interest. Thanks very
much.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 1:57 AM,
Mitchell, John <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:Mitchell.John@epa.gov" target="_blank">Mitchell.John@epa.gov</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
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style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">Paul,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
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style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">Thanks
for forwarding Kirk Smith’s email with the
abstract on a “Comparison of International and
Chinese water boiling test protocols.”</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">However,
given your comment “<i>It seems that some entities
in the international leadership of clean
cookstoves might be pushing for one test without
sufficient attention to alternative testing
methods,</i>” I want to remind you, and inform
others on the distribution lists, about two
things:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span
style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">1.</span><span
style="font-size:7.0pt"> </span><span
style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">how
the ISO technical committee (TC285) working to
develop voluntary international standards
operates; and</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span
style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">2.</span><span
style="font-size:7.0pt"> </span><span
style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">how
Working Group #2 – which is charged with
developing laboratory testing methods, is moving
forward.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">ISO
Technical Committee 285 (TC285) currently has 28
countries participating, and 14 observing, with 10
international organization participating as well.
Here in the US, many of our colleagues are engaged
in the activities of TC285. We have 99 people
from 63 organizations participating in the US
Technical Advisory Group – with 33 experts
participating in the four TC285 working groups.
All this is to say – <i>the some entities in the
international leadership of clean cookstoves</i>
– <u>is us</u>. It is your colleagues in the US
and around the world – we are the international
leadership developing testing methods – it is not
just one person or one organization who is the
international leader. In fact, the chairperson of
TC 285, the chairs of the national committees, and
the conveners and project leaders of all the
working groups, are responsible for staying
neutral and not pushing a specific idea. In
addition, these leaders are responsible for
ensuring everyone has an opportunity to be heard
and to facilitate a constructive discussion to
bring different perspectives together. Also, it
is important to note that each country gets one
vote. So all the people on the USTAG have merge
our perspectives into one, and that the USTAG’s
vote is just one vote out of 28.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">In
addition to keeping all participants in the USTAG
informed and engaged, EPA and Winrock, with the
support of the Global Alliance and the
participation of TC285 leaders from Germany,
Nepal, South Africa, and Uganda, have worked to
keep all interested parties from around the world
informed and engaged on TC285 activities, hosting
a webinar on December 14<sup>th</sup> to update
folks on the progress at the TC285 meeting in
Accra that preceded the Forum. That webinar can
be found at </span><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.pciaonline.org/webinars"
target="_blank"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">http://www.pciaonline.org/webinars</span></a><span
style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">
Additionally, you will recall that there was a
session at the January ETHOS Conference where we
had representatives from each of the working
groups report on their progress to date and
upcoming plans</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">Regarding
developing laboratory testing methods, Working
Group 2 is moving forward on two tracks: </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span
style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">-</span><span
style="font-size:7.0pt"> </span><span
style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">Part
I is a “Standard [laboratory] test sequence for
emissions and performance, safety, and durability”
which has reached the committee draft stage. In
fact the voting on the committee draft has just
concluded and the working group will soon be
meeting to review 68 pages of comments – showing
how engaged the international community is in
developing this test sequence. The purpose of
Part I is to provide a standard test sequence to
establish international comparability in
measurements of cookstove emissions and
efficiency. There is a lot of flexibility within
the standard test sequence as well – an option to
test at just one or two power levels (versus all
three), a plancha option, fuels, pots, etc. So
that the standard test sequence still wouldn’t
have everyone doing the exact same thing.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span
style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">-</span><span
style="font-size:7.0pt"> </span><span
style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">Part
II is a “Contextual [laboratory] test sequence”
which will be used for comparability within
particular demographic settings. The idea is to
attempt to replicate local field conditions, as
much as practical, in the lab. Part II is in the
early draft stage. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">If you,
or anyone copied on this email would like to be
engaged in developing testing methods, I strongly
encourage you to contact your country’s standards
development agency. In the US that is the
American National Standards Institute (ANSI), the
contact is Rachel Hawthorne, and she can be
reached at </span><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:rhawthorne@ansi.org" target="_blank"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">rhawthorne@ansi.org</span></a><span
style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""> Folks
outside the US can also contact Rachel and she can
direct you the standards development agency in
your country. If anyone has questions about TC285
generally or about the USTAG, please contact me at
</span><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:mitchell.john@epa.gov"
target="_blank"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">mitchell.john@epa.gov</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">All the
best,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">John</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b>From:</b>
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target="_blank">stove-bounces@lists.berkeley.edu</a>
[mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Paul Anderson<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, March 17, 2016 9:22 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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target="_blank">stove@lists.berkeley.edu</a>;
Stoves and biofuels network <<a
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [stove] Comparison of stove
testing procedures<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Stovers,<br>
<br>
Below is the abstract of a significant comparative
study done in China. We thank Kirk Smith and his
Stove list (different from StoveS) for the
information.<br>
<br>
Spoiler alert: Here is the punch line from the
abstract: <o:p></o:p></p>
<blockquote
style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt">Statistically
significant differences</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-autospace:none"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt">between the two [China
and Internatonal WBT] protocols indicate the
need for further efforts in emission tests and
methodology development</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt">before the release of a
well-accepted international testing protocol.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</blockquote>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><br>
Yes. Should we be surprised. It seems that some
entities in the international leadership of clean
cookstoves might be pushing for one test without
sufficient attention to alternative testing methods.<br>
<br>
Note (in abstract) that: <o:p></o:p></p>
<blockquote
style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt">With longer burning
duration and higher</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-autospace:none"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt">power, the Chinese WBT
had statistically higher efficiencies, gas
temperature, and lower pollutant emissions</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</blockquote>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>
Sure!!! Change the duration and power, expect
different test results!!! <br>
<br>
What is clear to me is that there should never be
only one set of tests. People around the world
have very different ways of cooking. High power in
China, plancha stoves in Central America, two-arm
cooking of thick foods in parts of Africa,
long-simmering bean-meals vs. quick boil of rice
meals, and on and on. The people we are trying to
serve want solutions that are appropriate for their
circumstances. <br>
<br>
Observation: There seems to be a slow-down in the
seeking of stove testing at the major testing
centers that have equipment. I can be shown to be
incorrect if any testing centers would give us some
statistics of numbers and types of tests that are
being requested.<br>
<br>
Of course I like the importance of emissions testing
because the TLUDs and other micro-gasifiers
consistently give superior results. But most
funding in the past has gone to less-qualified
stoves. <br>
<br>
Paul<o:p></o:p></p>
<pre>Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Email: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu" target="_blank">psanders@ilstu.edu</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Website: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.drtlud.com" target="_blank">www.drtlud.com</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On
3/17/2016 1:08 PM, Kirk R. Smith wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<blockquote
style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-autospace:none"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt">Can be downloaded from
the website below/k</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-autospace:none"><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:AdvTT5235d5a9"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-autospace:none"><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:AdvTT5235d5a9">Ef</span>fi<span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:AdvTT5235d5a9">ciencies
and pollutant emissions from forced-draft
biomass-pellet semi-gasi</span>fi<span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:AdvTT5235d5a9">er
stoves: Comparison of International and Chinese
water boiling test protocols</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-autospace:none"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt">Yuanchen Chen, Guofeng
Shen, Shu Su, Wei Du, Yibo Huangfu, Guangqing
Liu, Xilong Wang, Baoshan Xing, Kirk R. Smith,
Shu Tao</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt;color:blue">Energy for
Sustainable Development 32 (2016) 22–30</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-autospace:none"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt">Ab s t r a c t</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-autospace:none"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt">Biomass fuels are
widely combusted in rural China, producing
numerous air pollutants with great adverse</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-autospace:none"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt">impacts on human
health. Some improved cookstoves and pellet
fuels have been promoted. To evaluate the</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-autospace:none"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt">performance of
pellet-gasifier stoves, efficiencies and
pollutant emissions were measured following
International</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-autospace:none"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt">and Chinese water
boiling tests (WBTs). Compared with traditional
stoves and unprocessed biomass fuels,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-autospace:none"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt">increased efficiencies
and lower emissions of pollutants including
carbon monoxide (CO), particulate matter</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-autospace:none"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt">(PM), parent and
derivative polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons
(PAHs) were revealed for pellet-gasifier stoves.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-autospace:none"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt">However, the calculated
emission rates (ERs) of CO and PM2.5 cannot meet
the ER targets recently suggested</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-autospace:none"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt">by WHO indoor air
quality guidelines (IAQGs). Better control of
air mixing ratio and gross flow rates of primary</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-autospace:none"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt">and secondary air
supply greatly reduced emissions and increased
efficiencies. Differences among testing
protocols</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-autospace:none"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt">are the key factors
affecting the evaluation of stove performance.
With longer burning duration and higher</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-autospace:none"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt">power, the Chinese WBT
had statistically higher efficiencies, gas
temperature, and lower pollutant emissions</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-autospace:none"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt">(p b 0.10) compared to
those obtained through the International WBT.
Statistically significant differences</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-autospace:none"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt">between the two
protocols indicate the need for further efforts
in emission tests and methodology development</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt">before the release of a
well-accepted international testing protocol</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt">---------------------------<br>
</span>Kirk R. Smith, MPH, PhD<br>
Professor of Global Environmental Health<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt">Chair,
Graduate Group in Environmental Health Sciences<br>
Director of the Global Health and Environment
Program<br>
School of Public Health<br>
747 University Hall<br>
University of California<br>
Berkeley, California, 94720-7360<br>
phone 1-510-643-0793; fax 642-5815<br>
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