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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-CA link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Dear Jock<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>This list does support photos.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I had a good long talk with the developers of this stove. They have reached the limit of what they can do without much better testing equipment. It is a downdraft stove, hopper-fed, pellet burning of course (it was a letter stove competition) and it can still be improved. The very interesting aspect was the huge TEG’s mounted directly in front of the flame.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Comparing this with Alex English’s cross draft burner seen at the Stove Testing Camp last year, I think Alex would have won the competition, had he entered. That said, both are exceptional and simple.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><img width=522 height=534 id="Picture_x0020_1" src="cid:image001.png@01D1B355.4803B690"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>The unit puts out as much power as a large solar panel so if you are going to heat your house anyway, you might as well run the heat through the TEG. Then the efficiency is immaterial.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>The only technology that will out-perform this is the thermoacoustic generator which has maybe 5 times the output (because of a much higher conversion efficiency). They are not yet available in small sizes. The Canadian one is 5 kW and runs at 700°C.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Here is the burner opened. The amount of fuel burning at a time is tiny. The centre plate means the fire is burning in a ring around the edge. This approach is not scalable – be warned – if the power level is altered. It is difficult to maintain a burning ring. Making it burn in a single point solves that, but it is does in fact work because it is so small. There is enough heat flowing in that tiny space the keep the whole ring lit. The gap between the ring and the outside diameter is small enough to support the pellets.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Generally speaking, you will get less trouble from Alex’s approach which is to burn sideways. Lots of issues disappear.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>While I am digging in the folder, Testo demonstrated their version of a TEOM which is a cross between a size-selecting impactor plate and a vibrating microbalance. The PM is collected on the gold plate which slowly rotates. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><img width=378 height=334 id="Picture_x0020_2" src="cid:image002.jpg@01D1B356.5D025B90"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Crispin<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal>A very interesting stove built expressly to drive a TEG was shown in April at the Brookhaven National Lab. It had one moving part - a fan, burned pellets - could be fed from the top, was clean burning, powered some lights and charged a battery. It was not configures with a cooking surface, but that would be an easy upgrade. As designed, it did not produce Biochar. It was a 100% combustion device. It was designed for off the grid living and survivalist needs.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div id=AppleMailSignature><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div id=AppleMailSignature><p class=MsoNormal>The Alliance for Green Heat organized the event. Crispin and I both made presentations.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div id=AppleMailSignature><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div id=AppleMailSignature><p class=MsoNormal>I would post a photo, but the list does not support photos. Crispin can tell you more. Or ask John Ackerly of the Alliance.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div id=AppleMailSignature><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div id=AppleMailSignature><p class=MsoNormal>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div id=AppleMailSignature><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div id=AppleMailSignature><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Jock<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Jock Gill<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>P. O. Box 3<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Peacham, VT 05862<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Cell: (617) 449-8111<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Extract CO2 from the atmosphere!<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On May 21, 2016, at 8:33 AM, Paul Anderson <<a href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>Dear Hussein,<br><br>Thanks for your thoughtful reply. As you can see from the separate replies by Andrew Heggie of the UK and Erich Knight in the USA, this topic is of interest to many of us.<br><br>I and Nolbert of Awamu in Kampala are interested in your development of a workshop for stove production. <br><br>The use of some of the generated power to operate a small fan on a TLUD-FA stove is of interest, but (as you surely know) natural draft units are also able to give the needed heat. BOTH avenues are of interest.<br><br>How open are you to collaborative efforts about linking the TEG in TLUD stoves? The "TEG-TLUD" efforts could become collaborative or competitive, depending on the desires of those involved. I favor collaboration.<br><br>Paul<br><br><o:p></o:p></p><pre>Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Email: <a href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Website: <a href="http://www.drtlud.com">www.drtlud.com</a><o:p></o:p></pre><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 5/20/2016 6:45 PM, Nsamba Hussein Kisiki wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1463787661282_7601"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"helvetica neue",serif;color:black'>Dear Prof Paul,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1463787661282_7602"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"helvetica neue",serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1463787661282_7604"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"helvetica neue",serif;color:black'>Many thanks for your email. I am indeed passionate about retrofitting TEGs to already existing improved cooking stoves to increase their functions especially for the end user to be able to watch a television, able to treat water (UV treatment), able to listen to radios, provide LED lighting as well as charge mobile phones alongside biochar production.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1463787661282_7605"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"helvetica neue",serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1463787661282_7607"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"helvetica neue",serif;color:black'>I assume this will make great contributions to the developing world, considering the fact that about 1.4 billion people have no access to power and since 2.8billion people are expected to be relying on traditional biomass for cooking by 2030.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1463787661282_7608"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"helvetica neue",serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1463787661282_7610"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"helvetica neue",serif;color:black'>I assume the above could be achieved if upto 5Wh of power can be achieved from a conventional cooking stove retrofitted with TEG. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1463787661282_7611"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"helvetica neue",serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1463787661282_7613"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"helvetica neue",serif;color:black'>I am proposed to integrating the technology with the fan which could use could use less than a watt to supply more air to the stove and improve on the stove combustion efficiency, to further reduce on the dangers arising from indoor pollution.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1463787661282_7614"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"helvetica neue",serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1463787661282_7616"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"helvetica neue",serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1463787661282_7618"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"helvetica neue",serif;color:black'>I would preferably be keen to succeed with the above initially with individual households, where of course custom designs can later be scaled up based on need and demand. From a research perceptive, It would be great to compare the performance of TEG retrofitted stoves with and without fans especially in terms of fuel consumption rate, duration of operation, emission levels, difference in costs, etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1463787661282_7619"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"helvetica neue",serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1463787661282_7621"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"helvetica neue",serif;color:black'>All said, I believe this is something we can achieve as a team. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1463787661282_7622"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"helvetica neue",serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1463787661282_7624"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"helvetica neue",serif;color:black'>PS: I have built up a centre in Uganda, with fabrication and welding facility, having capacity to fabricate the preferred stove designs, upto any required volume. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1463787661282_7625"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"helvetica neue",serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1463787661282_7627"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"helvetica neue",serif;color:black'>My contributions towards this have so far been on personal levels,financed from personal savings and with no external funding but I am sure this is something that can be supported, considering the contributions it offers, to the World.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1463787661282_7628"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"helvetica neue",serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1463787661282_7630"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"helvetica neue",serif;color:black'>Hussein<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><pre>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Stoves mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>to Send a Message to the list, use the email address<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org">http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>for more Biomass Cooking Stoves, News and Information see our web site:<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/">http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>_______________________________________________<br>Stoves mailing list<br><br>to Send a Message to the list, use the email address<br><a href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br><br>to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page<br><a href="http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org">http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br><br>for more Biomass Cooking Stoves, News and Information see our web site:<br><a href="http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/">http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div></body></html>