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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Crispin,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>It occurs to me that you may be fixating
on your created negative here. Did you notice the high power
indoor PM2.5? At 0.7345 mg/min it is very low, and that is a
positive. Also, all other results are very good. When your test
methods are ready I will be happy to test accordingly. Until then I can
only show the quality of this stove by the current standards. I am
looking forward to also show the quality of this stove by your standards, when
available.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>All,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>This stove or one like it will be at Aprovecho
for Stove Camp in August. You are all welcome to be there to examine
and test it. You will find a good stove, described during testing as "rock
solid".</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Kirk</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=crispinpigott@outlook.com
href="mailto:crispinpigott@outlook.com">Crispin Pemberton-Pigott</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org
href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">Stoves</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, May 30, 2016 12:32 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [Stoves] Woodstove rules in
western North Carolina amount to'jumping on the crazy train'</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri',sans-serif; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-fareast-language: EN-US">Dear
Wood Stove Friends<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri',sans-serif; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-fareast-language: EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri',sans-serif; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-fareast-language: EN-US">I
have a comment on good authority (there really are authorities in this matter)
that the ‘one death per day avoided’ is baseless conjecture. One consultant
called the claim ‘plain fraud’, there being no real basis for making it (the
claim). In other words you can claim what you want and no one can prove
anything one way or the other because there is no data underlying
them.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri',sans-serif; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-fareast-language: EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri',sans-serif; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-fareast-language: EN-US">This
is sort of related to the Pellet Stove competition discussed previously in
that the rules the EPA envisages being implemented are being used as
performance criteria. Something that has manufacturers up in arms is the test
method applied because the test conditions are so different from typical
conditions of use. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri',sans-serif; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-fareast-language: EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri',sans-serif; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-fareast-language: EN-US">A
number of initiatives are on-going with respect to test methods. Some states
have their own test methods and performance requirements which complicates
things for manufacturers as they have to ‘tune the stove’ to the test methods,
really not provide a low emissions, efficient user experience.
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri',sans-serif; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-fareast-language: EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri',sans-serif; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-fareast-language: EN-US">We
had just experienced on this list Kirk tuning his stove (making it less
efficient) in order to ‘get a better number’ for an invalid metric. In the
same manner, manufacturers create stoves that ‘test well’ by gaming every
possible aspect of the test to get the best number they can. At the moment,
the main cheat involves sustaining a char-burning phase for as long as
possible as the emissions are rated ‘per minute’. As a char burning phase has
zero PM2.5, the longer the char burn can be sustained, the smaller the
resulting number when the total PM mass is divided by
time.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri',sans-serif; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-fareast-language: EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri',sans-serif; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-fareast-language: EN-US">Regards<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri',sans-serif; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-fareast-language: EN-US">Crispin<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri',sans-serif; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-fareast-language: EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><A
href="http://www.citizen-times.com/story/news/local/2015/04/23/bill-turns-thumbs-wood-stove-rules/26263837/">http://www.citizen-times.com/story/news/local/2015/04/23/bill-turns-thumbs-wood-stove-rules/26263837/</A><o:p></o:p></P>
<H1
style="LINE-HEIGHT: 25.5pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; font-stretch: normal"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Helvetica',sans-serif; COLOR: #333333">Bill turns thumbs
down on woodstove rules<o:p></o:p></SPAN></H1>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt"><A
href="http://www.citizen-times.com/staff/30315/mark-barrett/"><SPAN
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width=26 height=26></SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: #4ec4ff; TEXT-DECORATION: none"> Mark Barrett</SPAN></A>,
<A
href="mailto:mbarrett@citizen-times.com">mbarrett@citizen-times.com</A></SPAN></B><I><SPAN
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p.m. EDT April 23, 2015</SPAN></I><o:p></o:p></P>
<H2 style="LINE-HEIGHT: 20.25pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 45pt"><I><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-WEIGHT: normal">Rules
on wood stoves are "a point where the EPA has really hopped on the crazy train
for us in Western North Carolina," Sen. Ralph Hise, R-Mitchell, told the
Senate.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></I></H2>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P
style="LINE-HEIGHT: 16.5pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 11.25pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 45pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0cm; mso-margin-top-alt: 0cm; font-stretch: normal"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR: #333333; FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt">RALEIGH
— North Carolina would not take part in a federal effort to more tightly
regulate emissions from new woodstoves, a common source of heat in Western
North Carolina, under a bill that passed the Senate
Thursday.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P
style="LINE-HEIGHT: 16.5pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 11.25pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 45pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0cm; mso-margin-top-alt: 0cm; font-stretch: normal"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR: #333333; FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt">But,
state regulators had not planned to participate anyway, said Tom Mather, a
spokesman for the Department of Environment and Natural
Resources.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P
style="LINE-HEIGHT: 16.5pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 11.25pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 45pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0cm; mso-margin-top-alt: 0cm; font-stretch: normal"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR: #333333; FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt">Sen.
Ralph Hise, a Mitchell County Republican who is one of three primary sponsors
of the bill, told the Senate the rules are "a point where the EPA has really
hopped on the crazy train for us in Western North
Carolina."<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P
style="LINE-HEIGHT: 16.5pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 11.25pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 45pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0cm; mso-margin-top-alt: 0cm; font-stretch: normal"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR: #333333; FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt">The
state, he said, cannot "change the federal regulations, but we can not adopt
them," he said.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P
style="LINE-HEIGHT: 16.5pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 11.25pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 45pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0cm; mso-margin-top-alt: 0cm; font-stretch: normal"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR: #333333; FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt">The
U.S. Environmental Protection Agency is implementing restrictions it estimates
will reduce fine particle emissions from wood heaters by nearly 70 percent. It
says that will mean an average of one fewer premature death per day and yield
about $100 in public health benefits for every $1 of additional cost to
manufacturers.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="LINE-HEIGHT: 16.5pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 11.25pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 45pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0cm; mso-margin-top-alt: 0cm; font-stretch: normal"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR: #333333; FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt">Among
WNC counties, the percentage of homes heated by wood ranges from 4 percent in
Buncombe County to 17.6 percent in Yancey County, with the rate falling
somewhere between 5 and 11 percent in most counties in the region. New Buck
Corp. makes the popular Buck Stove brand of wood-burning stoves in Spruce
Pine.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="COLOR: #666666; TEXT-DECORATION: none">New EPA wood stove rules concern
makers, users</SPAN></A><SPAN class=MsoHyperlink><SPAN
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<P style="TEXT-ALIGN: center; LINE-HEIGHT: 16.8pt" class=MsoNormal
align=center><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P
style="LINE-HEIGHT: 16.5pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 11.25pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 45pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0cm; mso-margin-top-alt: 0cm; font-stretch: normal"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR: #333333; FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt">Mather
said state regulators "are not involved with wood heaters at all. ... We've
never even looked into it. I'm not sure where this came
from."<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P
style="LINE-HEIGHT: 16.5pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 11.25pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 45pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0cm; mso-margin-top-alt: 0cm; font-stretch: normal"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR: #333333; FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt">The
state enforces many rules the EPA adopts under an agreement with the federal
agency. But Mather said in the case of woodstoves and similar devices, the EPA
rules fall directly on makers of new stoves and the state is not involved. The
rules do not apply to existing stoves.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P
style="LINE-HEIGHT: 16.5pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 11.25pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 45pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0cm; mso-margin-top-alt: 0cm; font-stretch: normal"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR: #333333; FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt">Dan
Crawford, director of governmental relations for the N.C. League of
Conservation Voters, also said the bill would have a limited
impact.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P
style="LINE-HEIGHT: 16.5pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 11.25pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 45pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0cm; mso-margin-top-alt: 0cm; font-stretch: normal"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR: #333333; FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt">"A
lot of us felt this bill was much ado about nothing," he
said.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P
style="LINE-HEIGHT: 16.5pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 11.25pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 45pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0cm; mso-margin-top-alt: 0cm; font-stretch: normal"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR: #333333; FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt">Another
part of the bill would require that any new rules the state Environmental
Management Commission adopts affecting woodstoves be approved by a
three-fifths vote of that appointed body. It's unclear whether it might affect
other types of emissions as well.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P
style="LINE-HEIGHT: 16.5pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 11.25pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 45pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0cm; mso-margin-top-alt: 0cm; font-stretch: normal"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR: #333333; FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt">"No
longer is the state going to be on autopilot for putting in the state rules
what the EPA is cramming down on us," the bill's lead sponsor, Sen. Chad
Barefoot, R-Wake, said during Thursday's floor debate. Sen. Jim Davis,
R-Macon, is also a primary sponsor.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P
style="LINE-HEIGHT: 16.5pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 11.25pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 45pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0cm; mso-margin-top-alt: 0cm; font-stretch: normal"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR: #333333; FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt">The
bill passed 40-9 and will be sent to the House. Sen. Tom Apodaca, R-Henderson,
complained on the floor that some senators from urban areas had voted against
the bill.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="LINE-HEIGHT: 16.5pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 11.25pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 45pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0cm; mso-margin-top-alt: 0cm; font-stretch: normal"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR: #333333; FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt">Instead
of visiting the mountains in the winter when people are burning wood to heat
their homes, bill opponents "may want to wait until summer," he
said.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR: #333333; FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt">Sen.
Josh Stein, D-Wake, responded that he voted against the bill because, "We've
got a very good rule review process" already to determine whether to adopt
rules coming down from the EPA.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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