<div dir="ltr">Hi Paul<div><br></div><div>What is the lifetime of the stove.  We have found in Vietnam that you dont get much more than a year if you use continually and you are in humid conditions for part of the year.</div><div><br></div><div> Large scale biochar reactors dont need to cost so much if you are not trying to generate electricity.   A well designed plant can produce 3000 tonnes biochar/yr  if it runs 8000 hours per year and cost $US1,000,000-$1,500,000 installed.</div><div><br></div><div>You need to do a full Cost benefit analysis and compare the relative costs and benefits over a 10 year period.  If people are interested we did a number of case studies in of the Lehmann Joseph edited biochar book.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Regards</div><div>Stephen</div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 1:54 PM, Paul Anderson <a href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a> [biochar] <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:biochar@yahoogroups.com" target="_blank">biochar@yahoogroups.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">


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    Mike and all,     (sent to Stoves List also because of the Stove
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    Mike wrote:<u></u><u></u>
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                <p style="background:white">if a 5000 ton per year
                  biochar plants costs 3 million dollars USD to build
                  than what do 5000 one ton a year biochar plants cost ?<u></u><u></u></p>
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    One TLUD residential cookstove produces about 1 kg of good char per
    day, or 365 kg per year.   Three families would make 1 ton of char
    per year.<br>
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    TLUD stoves appropriate for this can be purchased for $18 to $30
    each (delivered, retail cost).   So for 3 stoves, call that $60 to
    $100 of stoves per ton / yr, with good life span (5 yrs?) and low
    mantenance.  <br>
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    So, $100 times 5000 ton of desired output would cost $500,000 for
    15,000 stoves.  That is 1/6th of the 3 million dollars mentioned.<br>
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    I am working on a report from the Servals stove project in the
    Ganges delta with 11,000 installed stoves, and growing.  And it did
    not cost even half of that sum because of other factors.  <br>
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    Stay tuned.  Academic results take some time to get released.   But
    it all looks promissing.  (I hope I have my numbers all correct.)<br>
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    Oh, by the way, the issues of fuel supply, fuel transport costs, and
    operational labor (cooks) and even char collection costs all make
    the numbers look even more favorable.  <br>
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    It would sure be nice and would be appropriate is someone with the
    million dollar budgets for char production would become more
    interested in the TLUD approach.      Oh, the money-managers want to
    know the return on investment.  Sorry, most of the benefits (both
    financial and social) go to the impoverished people who can barely
    scrape together the $15 to $30 to get the stove.  But you can still
    get the char at a very low price and then make money off of that.<br>
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    Paul<br>
    <pre cols="72">Doc  /  Dr TLUD  /  Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
Email:  <a href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu" target="_blank">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>
Skype:   paultlud    Phone: <a href="tel:%2B1-309-452-7072" value="+13094527072" target="_blank">+1-309-452-7072</a>
Website:  <a href="http://www.drtlud.com" target="_blank">www.drtlud.com</a></pre>
    <div>On 6/14/2016 6:53 AM, Gerald Kutney
      <a href="mailto:gkutney@6esm.com" target="_blank">gkutney@6esm.com</a> [biochar] wrote:<br>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#0432ff">In my
                  experience, the “black box” technology to produce
                  biochar on an industrial scale is often in the range
                  of $500K to $1M.  However, that often only represents
                  about 10% to 20% of the total project cost, which
                  includes, building, services, product packaging,
                  storage and shipping, biomass handling and processing,
                  environmental controls…  I actually found the $3M
                  price tag to be at the lower end.  I would have
                  thought that an average plant would be $5M to $8M for
                  a 5000 ton per year facility.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:blue">Gerald Kutney,
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                  <a href="tel:%28613%29%20425-0619" value="+16134250619" target="_blank">(613) 425-0619</a></span><span style="color:#0432ff"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:Calibri;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-family:Calibri;color:black"><a href="mailto:biochar@yahoogroups.com" target="_blank"><biochar@yahoogroups.com></a>
                    on behalf of "Stephen Joseph <a href="mailto:joey.stephen@gmail.com" target="_blank">joey.stephen@gmail.com</a>
                    [biochar]" <a href="mailto:biochar@yahoogroups.com" target="_blank"><biochar@yahoogroups.com></a><br>
                    <b>Reply-To: </b><a href="mailto:biochar@yahoogroups.com" target="_blank"><biochar@yahoogroups.com></a><br>
                    <b>Date: </b>Tuesday, June 14, 2016 at 7:31 AM<br>
                    <b>To: </b>biochar <a href="mailto:biochar@yahoogroups.com" target="_blank"><biochar@yahoogroups.com></a><br>
                    <b>Subject: </b>Re: [biochar] biochar production
                    model<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white">I am surprised
                              as I designed a 8000t/yr unit for less
                              than$1,000,000 excluding any building.<u></u><u></u></p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white">Stephen<u></u><u></u></p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white">On Tue, Jun 14,
                              2016 at 2:03 AM, <a href="mailto:mikethewormguy@aol.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:mikethewormguy@aol.com" target="_blank">mikethewormguy@aol.com</a>
                              [biochar] <<a href="mailto:biochar@yahoogroups.com" target="_blank">biochar@yahoogroups.com</a>>
                              wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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                                      <p style="background:white">if a
                                        5000 ton per year biochar plants
                                        costs 3 million dollars USD to
                                        build than what do 5000 one ton
                                        a year biochar plants cost ?<u></u><u></u></p>
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