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    Jock and all,<br>
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    I must respectfully disagree.   The TLUD  system can be and usually
    is quite consistent with the steady downward movement of the
    pyrolytic front (MPF).   Primary air control is essential, and can
    be as small an opening as the lead of a pencil.<br>
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    In comparison with OTHER types of combustion (such as stick-fuel
    into Rocket stoves), the TLUDs are more consistent (unless the stove
    operator is spending much time on tending to the insertion of the
    wood.)<br>
    <br>
    Paul<br>
    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Doc  /  Dr TLUD  /  Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
Email:  <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>
Skype:   paultlud    Phone: +1-309-452-7072
Website:  <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.drtlud.com">www.drtlud.com</a></pre>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/16/2016 7:10 AM, Jock Gill wrote:<br>
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      <div>Basically a TLUD is a very non linear system.  It is
        extremely hard to maintain an ideal fuel to air ratio. The
        hotter it gets, the more gas it produces,  the higher the
        flames, the hotter it gets. It is hard to create the degree of
        turbulence for proper mixing. It is hard to maintain useful
        residence times in the combustion zone. It is a nasty feedback
        loop that is difficult  to work with.</div>
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        played and flame deflectors.<br>
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        On Jun 15, 2016, at 5:06 AM, Mangolazi <<a
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        wrote:<br>
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        <div><span>I've always wondered what causes that towering
            inferno to occur. I've had this happen a few times with a
            tiny tin can stove and with a big paint can biochar burner.
            I try to avoid it so my pots don't get damaged. </span><br>
          <span></span><br>
          <span>Is it too much primary air? Lots of wood gas from
            certain fuels? Fast gas flow from a tall chimney? </span><br>
          <span></span><br>
          <span>Looking at a bunch of papers on TLUDs, it seems there's
            a trade off between temperature and burn time. You can
            throttle primary air to get a long burn time but
            temperatures may not get high enough to burn cleanly,
            whereas a more complete and hotter burn means the fuel is
            turned to char much faster. </span><br>
          <span></span><br>
          <span>On June 15, 2016 6:23:02 AM GMT+08:00, <a
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            wrote:</span><br>
          <blockquote type="cite"><span>On 14 Jun 2016 at 16:17,
              Mangolazi wrote:</span><br>
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            <blockquote type="cite"><span>Hi Neil, thanks for the
                recommendations. I think I'll get one of</span><br>
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          <blockquote type="cite">
            <blockquote type="cite"><span>those cheap Chinese stoves to
                see what they can do. Most of them</span><br>
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            <blockquote type="cite"><span>look the same so I assume
                they're all from the same factory. </span><br>
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          <blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>
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          <blockquote type="cite"><span>They do seem to be all the same.
               The main difference between them is</span><br>
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          <blockquote type="cite"><span>in </span><br>
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          <blockquote type="cite"><span>which type of pot
              support/concentrator top you choose.  There are the </span><br>
          </blockquote>
          <blockquote type="cite"><span>fold out sort, with a gap
              between top of concentrator and pot of 2cm,</span><br>
          </blockquote>
          <blockquote type="cite"><span>and</span><br>
          </blockquote>
          <blockquote type="cite"><span>the fixed higher rise top
              (4.5cm) with open side that permits easier</span><br>
          </blockquote>
          <blockquote type="cite"><span>fuel</span><br>
          </blockquote>
          <blockquote type="cite"><span>feeding without removing the
              pot.  I have both, and now prefer the</span><br>
          </blockquote>
          <blockquote type="cite"><span>latter</span><br>
          </blockquote>
          <blockquote type="cite"><span>as the increased height between
              secondary air holes and pot makes for a</span><br>
          </blockquote>
          <blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>
          </blockquote>
          <blockquote type="cite"><span>slightly cleaner burn, and
              interferes less with the draught.  It has </span><br>
          </blockquote>
          <blockquote type="cite"><span>closer support points though,
              although I have yet to suffer instability</span><br>
          </blockquote>
          <blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>
          </blockquote>
          <blockquote type="cite"><span>from that.  All the parts
              between the two stoves, bought years apart,</span><br>
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          <blockquote type="cite"><span>are</span><br>
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          <blockquote type="cite"><span>interchangeable.</span><br>
          </blockquote>
          <blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>
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            <blockquote type="cite"><span>They're</span><br>
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            <blockquote type="cite"><span>also rather squat - more
                power, less run time? </span><br>
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            <blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>
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          <blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>
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          <blockquote type="cite"><span>They are squat, but run time
              really depends on the fuel.  It is about</span><br>
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          <blockquote type="cite"><span>10 </span><br>
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          <blockquote type="cite"><span>mins of towering inferno run as
              a TLUD with dry wood, but double that</span><br>
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          <blockquote type="cite"><span>and</span><br>
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          <blockquote type="cite"><span>up to half an hour with
              moister/denser/larger fuel, and I've read an</span><br>
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