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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Crispin,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Thank you for the well organized and to the point
response. Your points are clear and understandable and you put
some effort into organizing them. I have difficulty piecing
together long submissions with disparate thoughts.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Thank you,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Kirk H.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=crispinpigott@outlook.com
href="mailto:crispinpigott@outlook.com">Crispin Pemberton-Pigott</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org
href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">'Discussion of biomass cooking
stoves'</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, June 30, 2016 1:22
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Stoves] Why is it still so
difficult to design cookstoves for3 billion people?</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri',sans-serif; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-fareast-language: EN-US">Dear
Kirk and All<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri',sans-serif; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-fareast-language: EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri',sans-serif; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-fareast-language: EN-US">Well
said, Xavier. There are different forms of negation. One that the stove
community in general should accept is that the evaluations made about what
constitutes ‘better’ has been wonky for a long time. This goes beyond the
technical errors and misconceptions that underlie the ‘advantages’ of various
stoves. One of the reason why we do not have a chorus of sociologists and
anthropologists telling is how we keep getting the design process backwards,
is because we don’t listen to that kind of feedback. So they go somewhere else
to have the conversation. This should be reversed. We should invite their
input.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<LI
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1"
class=MsoNormal>there still exist<SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d">s</SPAN> a gap
between the efforts in the stove sector and the user
adoption<o:p></o:p></LI></UL>
<P style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri',sans-serif; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">This
is sort of true, in that there is a formal stove sector and they are doing
fine, thank you very much. It is the crowd dealing with the poor and mostly
forgotten that is having trouble getting their ideas (inventions, fantasies)
adopted. There are good reasons why BP and Shell and Philips came into the
stove sector. It represents a large commercial
opportunity.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<LI
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1"
class=MsoNormal>this gap is due, I believe, to putting the focus on the
clean aspects of the technology at the detriment of the usability of the
stoves, that users value most. I am not saying that making clean stoves is
not important, because it is capital, but usability shouldn't be forgotten
in the process.<o:p></o:p></LI></UL>
<P style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri',sans-serif; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">This
is where the missing participants is most keenly felt. I once commented at an
ETHOS meeting that there were no marketing people in the room, none. Marketing
people tell us that thing won’t sell because of a, b and c. We know that if we
just get a chance to show off the technology people will beat a path to our
door(s). Stove dissemination needs a dose of reality provided by the
professional marketers.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d">></SPAN><I>'There is no success so far so
stop already' seems to be a strong sympathy</I><I><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></I></P>
<P><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri',sans-serif; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">There
have been a lot of successes so far and for the strangest of reasons, many of
them are not talked about. We talk about fads like gasifiers and charcoal
making stoves most of the time. Believe it or not, most cooks don’t give
a hoot about either and don’t even want to learn the terms. They are tired of
two things, mainly: stoves that can’t cook because they are not powerful
enough and stoves that require more fuel processing time or effort. It is rare
that a new owner accepts to do more work in fuel preparation. I have a great
example of it being accepted and will send it in under a separate subject. The
benefit has to be really large to overcome the laziness quotient (is that
fair?)<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d">></SPAN>As I said, what is happening now is
really exciting, and the above conclusions should only galvanize us and make
us intensify efforts.<o:p></o:p></P>
<P><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri',sans-serif; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Agreed.
The spark of truth comes from the clash of differing
opinions.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri',sans-serif; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Crispin<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri',sans-serif; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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