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    Dear Frans,   (to Stoves Listserv and to Biochar Listserv where
    there is a current discussion on not getting funds for low tech
    making of biochar by using cookstove technology)   (each listserv
    can discuss this separately.)<br>
    <br>
    So well stated by you:  Business sickness.   Business sickness is
    part of the problem regarding stoves and stoves that make biochar.<br>
    <br>
    That term (business sickness) captures the essence of many problems,
    including cookstove development and also much of politics and social
    service and general aspects.<br>
    <br>
    BUSINESS can be and should be good and should be healthy.  This is
    not an anti-business message.   It is not a socialist message.   It
    is a message about capitalism that has ways of going astray.  (but
    focus on STOVES).<br>
    <br>
    The "sickness" aspect comes from excessiveness.   The word "greed"
    is related, but does not capture the subtle aspects of sickness.  
    Sort of like eating candy, but eating so much that you get sick. 
    This is sickness because of lack of balance.  Obesity, alcoholism,
    abuse of prescription drugs, and any addictions are all
    "sicknesses."   Fortunately our societies (some members of our
    societies) do help with treatment for such sicknesses of
    excessiveness.   <br>
    <br>
    But business sickness (excessive business focus) is likely to get
    applause.  Society praises the billionaires.  <br>
    <br>
    BUT let's keep this topic focused on STOVES and on Biochar from
    STOVES.   (These listservs are NOT for making comments about
    politics in America or elsewhere.  Stick to STOVES!!!<br>
    <br>
    1.  How can we find more funding for stove projects that can be
    close to breaking even in the long run, without highly attractive
    profit margins?   Are we doomed to depend on "donors" (bless them
    all) who are too few to cover the tasks?  <br>
    <br>
    2.  Why do governments of impoverished countries or struggling
    countries get sucked into the business sickness of large expensive
    infrastructure projects that have so little benefit to the majority
    of their people, but do rather little about cookstove efforts?<br>
    <br>
    3.  MAYBE the Stove Community is at fault.  Or maybe some part of
    our Community has the sickness and impacts the other parts?<br>
    <br>
    4.  Maybe Paul Anderson is too far off track.    <br>
    <br>
    Paul   <br>
    <br>
    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Doc  /  Dr TLUD  /  Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
Email:  <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>
Skype:   paultlud    Phone: +1-309-452-7072
Website:  <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.drtlud.com">www.drtlud.com</a></pre>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/3/2016 4:52 AM, Frans Peeters
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext" lang="EN-CA"> </span><span
            style="color:#1F497D" lang="EN-CA">Dear Kirk and All,</span><span
            lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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          <p><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
              lang="EN-CA">Agreed. The spark of truth comes from the
              clash of differing opinions.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
              lang="EN-CA">Crispin<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
              lang="EN-CA">     My look :<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
              lang="EN-CA">    The design from the stovers group  must
              be a FREE and full  source  CONSTRUCTION PLAN ,so the poor
              people can make their own stove .!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
              lang="EN-CA">   School teatchers  can take it from
              internet and make the prototypes .To show the villages ….<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
              lang="EN-CA">  HELP is FREE. !<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
              lang="EN-CA">CONSTRUCTORS  </span><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:red"
                lang="EN-CA">”  BUSSYNES SICKNESS “,</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
              lang="EN-CA">and </span><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:red"
                lang="EN-CA">SECRET CONSTRUCTION PLANS</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:red"
              lang="EN-CA">   </span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
              lang="EN-CA">cannot sell if there is no money into the
              bush!  Forget  PHILIPS .<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
              lang="EN-CA"> Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
              lang="EN-CA">Frans<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p><span
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