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Deniz,<br>
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First I thank Michael Trevor for supplying most of the answers to
you quesitons (and for the kind endorsement!!).<br>
<br>
Your heat needs are SOOOOO small that the amount of wood would very
quite inconsequential. Depending on your situation, I suspect that
one woodworking shop could create sufficient COARSE shavings (such
as from a planer) from wonderfully dry wood. We are talking about
a small sack of good shavings (or wood chips or twig segments or
splinters) being sufficient for a month of shrinking the plastic
tubing (estimate, because it depends on many factors).<br>
<br>
The TLUD would be make from tin cans. No need to have a tinsmith
make the TLUD for you from sheet metal. <br>
<br>
The only place I wrote about this is in a 2010 presentation for the
informal ETHOS presentations on Friday evening before the
conference. The item is called "From Willie to Richard" And
you are interested in Willie , which is Willie One-Can
(as in Willie Wonka and the Chocolate Factory). Also the
Toucan TLUD (two can) by Hugh McLaughlin is shown. Also there
are comments about stoves made with 3 though 10 cans. Richard Boyd
made the 10-can stove. I hope that everyone enjoys that
presentation!!! <span class="moz-smiley-s1"><span>:-)</span></span><span
class="moz-smiley-s1"><span>:-)</span></span><span
class="moz-smiley-s1"><span>:-)</span></span><br>
<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/andersonethos2010">http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/andersonethos2010</a> (and soon to
be on the drtlud.com website)<br>
<br>
The Willie One-Can could be a serious heat device for your needs,
Deniz. Or maybe with 2 or 3 cans. I will work with you. Maybe
some others would like to join us on the practical sides of this
topic.<br>
<br>
So if you want to start, the first question is about what sizes of
tin cans you can obtain? You will only need 1 or 2 of each. But
the sizes are important (diameter and height). Assuming that one
end of each can is still closed.<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
Email: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>
Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072
Website: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.drtlud.com">www.drtlud.com</a></pre>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/25/2016 6:30 AM, Michael N Trevor
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<div>Dear Deniz</div>
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<div>Paul will be able to get you bell book and candle,
however in a nut shell</div>
<div>you can make you own mini gasifier from tin cans and
other stuff. Left over charcoal</div>
<div>can be used however you want, including fuel, biochar or
briquettes. </div>
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<div>In fact make a tincanium gasifier cook with it and use
the charcoal to do your shrinking.</div>
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<div>Google can point you to both home made ones and
commercial ones,as well as Paul’s own web site.</div>
<div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" style="href:
"http://www.drtlud.com/"">www.drtlud.com</a> </div>
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<div>Michael N Trevor</div>
<div>Marshall Islands</div>
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<div style="font-color: black"><b>From:</b> <a
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title="Deniz.Ispaylar@onedollarglasses.org"
href="mailto:Deniz.Ispaylar@onedollarglasses.org">Deniz
Ispaylar [OneDollarGlasses]</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Monday, July 25, 2016 10:27 PM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
title="psanders@ilstu.edu"
href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">Paul Anderson</a> </div>
<div><b>Cc:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
title="stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org"
href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">Discussion
of biomass cooking stoves</a> </div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Stoves] NGO is looking for a
stove update in production process</div>
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Paul,
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<div>thanks for the hint towards very small TLUD micro
gasifier. But we are somehow more interested in using
charcoal as we don`t have a proper wood supply where we
are based in Malawi. What I mean is that the locals
cutting down uncontrolled huge areas of forest in order to
have some wood for their firing. So we decided not to
support that even when we are not sure where the charcoals
comes from…</div>
<div> </div>
<div>But maybe you can convince us that wood is better to
use instead of charcoal though? I liked the point with the
fast ignition of wood a lot. How can the made charcoal
with TLUD mirco-gasifier be used afterwards?</div>
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<div>And where can we buy those mirco-gasifier?</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Regards</div>
<div>Deniz<br>
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<div>Am 19.07.2016 um 17:55 schrieb Paul Anderson <<a
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<div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">Dear Deniz,<br>
<br>
You have asked the correct group for advice.
There are several options that you could consider.<br>
<br>
I will advocate that you consider a very small
TLUD (tee-lud) micro-gasifier, and I will assist
you if you desire that type of heat source.<br>
<br>
Please see my website <a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="http://www.drtlud.com/">www.drtlud.com</a>
for the basics about the technology, but very
little about units that are as small as you will
desire (but I can assist you about the very small
ones.)<br>
<br>
HOWEVER, these stoves do NOT use charcoal.
(actually they make charcoal, but that is a
different side of the story). Charcoal is
notoriously slow to ignite, which is one of your
requirements.<br>
<br>
I assume that you have already considered using a
candle (or a few candles). The very small TLUD
micro-gasifiers can provide the amount of heat you
need. They are very clean burning even at
cookstove sizes, so the tiny TLUD that you need
COULD probably be used indoors (depends on room
size and ventilation issues).<br>
<br>
Looking forward to assisting you. You may reply
via the Stoves Listserv because some readers are
interested in such topics, but eventually for
detailled work we would use my personal email
address which is <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>
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<br>
Paul<br>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
Email: <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>
Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072
Website: <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.drtlud.com/">www.drtlud.com</a></pre>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/19/2016 8:37 AM,
Deniz Ispaylar [OneDollarGlasses] wrote:<br>
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LINE-HEIGHT: normal">Dear cooking stoves
experts,</div>
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<div style="COLOR: rgb(69,69,69); MARGIN: 0px;
LINE-HEIGHT: normal">I am working for the
non-profit NGO <a
href="http://www.eindollarbrille.de/"
moz-do-not-send="true">OneDollarGlasses</a>.
We have the mission to set up a social
business in development countries worldwide to
provide <b>high-quality and affordable
glasses</b> to people in need. The glasses
are produced by locals in these countries. To
ensure that the manufacturing is possible and
reliable at any time we have developed a <b>currentless
production process</b>. </div>
<div style="COLOR: rgb(69,69,69); MARGIN: 0px;
MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; LINE-HEIGHT: normal"> </div>
<div style="COLOR: rgb(69,69,69); MARGIN: 0px;
LINE-HEIGHT: normal">One part of this process
is to <b>heat</b> <b>shrinking</b> <b>tubes</b>
with a <b>stove</b> (attachment 1 and
attachment 2). For us it seems like that the
current stove which we are using is outdated,
not healthy neither for the manufacturer nor
for the nature and inefficient. So we are
looking for some <b>new technologies of
stoves</b> which we can implement in our
production process. This is the reason why I
am addressing this email to you to get
expert-input.</div>
<div style="COLOR: rgb(69,69,69); MARGIN: 0px;
LINE-HEIGHT: normal"> </div>
<div style="COLOR: rgb(69,69,69); MARGIN: 0px;
LINE-HEIGHT: normal">The shrinking tube
(attachment 3) is made out of irradiati<span
class="b1">on</span><span class="b2">
crosslinked Polyolefin and has a <b>shrinking
temperature of +120°C</b>. Attachment 4
gives some more information on the shrinking
tubes (unfortunately this is only available
in German, but easy to translate). </span></div>
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<div style="COLOR: rgb(69,69,69); MARGIN: 0px;
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requirements of the new stove are </span></div>
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<li>that we do have a temperature of
roundabout <b>+120°C</b> somewhere near
the stove </li>
<li>that the <b>temperature</b> should be
reached really <b>fast</b> </li>
<li>that the <b>combustion</b> last for at
least <b>10</b> <b>minutes</b> </li>
<li>that we can use <b>charcoal</b> </li>
<li>that the <b>combustion</b> is <b>high</b>
<b>efficient</b> and has a <b>low</b>-<b>emission</b>
</li>
</ul>
<div> </div>
<div>Maybe there is a stove out there, that
suits our needs. :-)</div>
<div> </div>
<div>I would be more than happy to get some
feedback and/or input and can`t wait to
start into a discussion on how we can
improve our production process. </div>
<div> </div>
<div>Warmest regards</div>
<div>Deniz</div>
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