<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Crispin </div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">I might. Omni Labs also might since they were at the center of that evolution. Paul T died and I think Jim H retired. </div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">Tom<br><br>T R Miles Technical Consultants Inc. <span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); "></span><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); "><a href="mailto:tmiles@trmiles.com">tmiles@trmiles.com</a></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.226562); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.226562);">Sent from mobile. </span></div></div><div><br>On Aug 6, 2016, at 9:17 PM, Crispin Pemberton-Pigott <<a href="mailto:crispinpigott@outlook.com">crispinpigott@outlook.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div> <div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Dear Tom</div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">I have been looking unsuccessfully for a copy of the whole of Oregon Method 41 from that time. Do you have perhaps a print copy?</div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">The manager at Buck Stoves says their products of that era produced about 90g/hr before then started their modernisation drive. Now they are under 4 and heading for under 2. That's impressive. </div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Regards </div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Crispin </div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br></div><br><div id="_originalContent" style=""><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div>We started working on the Oregon standard in 1979. By 1983 several fabricators had stopped building polluting stoves. As the article notes the state regs started in 1986. </div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">Tom<br><br>T R Miles Technical Consultants Inc. 503-780-8185<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); "><a href="mailto:tmiles@trmiles.com">tmiles@trmiles.com</a></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.226562); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.226562);">Sent from mobile. </span></div></div><div><br>On Aug 6, 2016, at 8:15 PM, Ronal W. Larson <<a href="mailto:rongretlarson@comcast.net">rongretlarson@comcast.net</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"><div class="">List: cc Crispin</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>1. Clearly a wonderful addition to our list dialog. Fits in perfectly with this description from <a href="http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/about" class="">http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/about</a>:</div><div class=""><span style="font-family: Verdana, Tahoma, 'DejaVu Sans', sans-serif; font-size: 12px; orphans: 2; widows: 2; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div style="orphans: auto; widows: auto;" class=""><span style="orphans: 2; widows: 2; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;"> </span>“ <i class="">This site contains topics and information discussed on the Biomass Cooking Stoves email list to help develop better stoves for cooking with biomass fuels in developing regions."</i></span></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>2. And it supports what we all believe is a major problem for developing country stoves (emphasis added): “<span style="font-size: 15px;" class=""><i class=""><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: georgia, 'times new roman', times, serif; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">Oxygen-starved fires also produce more carbon monoxide, instead of <u class=""><b class="">harmless carbon dioxide</b></u>.</span><font color="#333333" face="georgia, times new roman, times, serif" class="">”</font></i></span></div><div class=""><span style="font-size: 15px;" class=""><i class=""><font color="#333333" face="georgia, times new roman, times, serif" class=""><br class=""></font></i></span></div><div class=""><span style="font-size: 15px;" class=""><i class=""><font color="#333333" face="georgia, times new roman, times, serif" class=""><br class=""></font></i></span></div><div class=""><font color="#333333" face="georgia, times new roman, times, serif" class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="font-size: 15px; font-style: italic; white-space: pre;"> </span><i style="font-size: 15px;" class="">3. </i><span style="font-size: 15px;" class="">And so important that we can celebrate the Nov. 30 30th anniversary in August! Great!</span></font></div><div class=""><font color="#333333" face="georgia, times new roman, times, serif" class=""><span style="font-size: 15px;" class=""><br class=""></span></font></div><div class=""><font color="#333333" face="georgia, times new roman, times, serif" class=""><span style="font-size: 15px;" class=""><br class=""></span></font></div><div class=""><font color="#333333" face="georgia, times new roman, times, serif" class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="font-size: 15px; white-space: pre;"> </span><span style="font-size: 15px;" class="">4. The only drawback I find is that there is no mention of Mr. Wald’s expertise in nuclear energy - as that is how he is now employed. Obviously heating with nuclear powered electricity is the way to go - much superior to any biomass option - especially in developing countries.</span></font></div><div class=""><font color="#333333" face="georgia, times new roman, times, serif" class=""><span style="font-size: 15px;" class=""><br class=""></span></font></div><div class=""><font color="#333333" face="georgia, times new roman, times, serif" class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="font-size: 15px; white-space: pre;"> </span><span style="font-size: 15px;" class="">5. Well actually one more concern - we don’t see enough of these pertinent papers from (almost) 30 years ago. Obviously that was a time of real knowledge on this list’s area of interest.</span></font></div><div class=""><font color="#333333" face="georgia, times new roman, times, serif" class=""><span style="font-size: 15px;" class=""><br class=""></span></font></div><div class=""><font color="#333333" face="georgia, times new roman, times, serif" class=""><span style="font-size: 15px;" class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>6. Oops - I almost forgot to thank Mr. Wald for his enthusiastic support for EPA and his concern for costs.</span></font></div><div class=""><font color="#333333" face="georgia, times new roman, times, serif" class=""><span style="font-size: 15px;" class=""><br class=""></span></font></div><div class=""><font color="#333333" face="georgia, times new roman, times, serif" class=""><span style="font-size: 15px;" class=""><br class=""></span></font></div><div class=""><font color="#333333" face="georgia, times new roman, times, serif" class=""><span style="font-size: 15px;" class="">Let’s have more like this - that are so pertinent to our stove list mission.</span></font></div><div class=""><font color="#333333" face="georgia, times new roman, times, serif" class=""><span style="font-size: 15px;" class=""><br class=""></span></font></div><div class=""><font color="#333333" face="georgia, times new roman, times, serif" class=""><span style="font-size: 15px;" class=""><br class=""></span></font></div><div class=""><font color="#333333" face="georgia, times new roman, times, serif" class=""><span style="font-size: 15px;" class="">Ron</span></font></div><div class=""><font color="#333333" face="georgia, times new roman, times, serif" class=""><span style="font-size: 15px;" class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span></span></font></div><div class=""><span style="font-size: 15px;" class=""><i class=""><font color="#333333" face="georgia, times new roman, times, serif" class=""><br class=""></font></i></span></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Aug 6, 2016, at 2:22 PM, Crispin Pemberton-Pigott <<a href="mailto:crispinpigott@outlook.com" class="">crispinpigott@outlook.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div lang="en-US" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); line-height: initial;" class=""> <div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/1986/11/30/us/wood-stoves-facing-curbs-as-polluters.html" style="line-height: initial;" class="">http://www.nytimes.com/1986/11/30/us/wood-stoves-facing-curbs-as-polluters.html</a></div><div id="_originalContent" style="" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><br class=""><br class=""><div class="" style="margin-bottom:12px;clear:both;margin-right:7px;margin-left:10px;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:georgia,"times new roman",times,serif;font-size:10px;line-height:15px;width:auto!important"><h1 itemprop="headline" class="" style="margin: 0px 0px 8px; font-size: 2.4em; line-height: 1.083em; font-weight: normal;">WOOD STOVES FACING CURBS AS POLLUTERS</h1><h6 class="" style="margin:2px 0px;color:rgb(128,128,128);font-size:1em;line-height:1.2em;font-weight:normal;font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span itemprop="author creator" itemscope="" itemtype="http://schema.org/Person" class="">By MATTHEW L. WALD, Special to the New York Times</span></h6><h6 class="" style="margin:0px;color:rgb(128,128,128);font-size:1em;line-height:1.2em;font-weight:normal;font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Published: November 30, 1986</h6><div class="" style="margin-top:1.5em;margin-bottom:1.7em"><span itemprop="copyrightHolder provider sourceOrganization" itemscope="" itemtype="http://schema.org/Organization" class=""></span><p itemprop="articleBody" style="margin: 0px 0px 1em; font-size: 1.5em; line-height: 1.467em;" class=""><strong class="">BOSTON, Nov. 29— </strong>In the war against air pollution the new target is neither the smokestack nor the tailpipe but the chimney.</p><p itemprop="articleBody" style="margin: 0px 0px 1em; font-size: 1.5em; line-height: 1.467em;" class="">Early next year the Federal Environmental Protection Agency is to propose emission limits for wood-burning stoves like those for automobiles or factories. Many stoves will be equipped with catalytic converters to cut down their smoke, as automobiles were a decade ago to cut down exhaust gases.</p><p itemprop="articleBody" style="margin: 0px 0px 1em; font-size: 1.5em; line-height: 1.467em;" class="">The rules will add hundreds of dollars to the cost of new stoves, but environmentalists and government officials say the regulations will also reduce the cancer-causing chemicals and excessive particle matter that some wood stoves emit. #12 Million Units in Use The E.P.A. says the 12 million wood stoves now in use produce about 15 percent of the national emission of very minute particles, or particulates, and 40 percent of the emission of certain chemicals created in fires that are starved for oxygen. These include several carcinogens, according to the agency. Oxygen-starved fires also produce more carbon monoxide, instead of harmless carbon dioxide.</p><p itemprop="articleBody" style="margin: 0px 0px 1em; font-size: 1.5em; line-height: 1.467em;" class="">The rules will help reduce the problem in places where cold winter nights end with what looks like a London fog but is more pungent. ''It's the problem of people waking up in the morning and they can't see the house next door,'' said Stephen S. Perkins, an air quality engineer at the E.P.A. office here.</p><p itemprop="articleBody" style="margin: 0px 0px 1em; font-size: 1.5em; line-height: 1.467em;" class="">The regulations cover ''residential wood combustion devices,'' which are defined as ''closed-chambered, combustion air controlled appliances, such as freestanding woodstoves, fireplace inserts and wood burning cookstoves.'' Ordinary fireplaces would not be affected, because the flow of air to the fire is not controlled, but fireplace inserts, which are usually metal boxes that fit in the fireplace and use the existing flue, would be covered.</p><p itemprop="articleBody" style="margin: 0px 0px 1em; font-size: 1.5em; line-height: 1.467em;" class="">There is no move now at the Federal level to require that existing stoves meet the new regulations, although a few smaller jurisdictions have taken that step.</p><p itemprop="articleBody" style="margin: 0px 0px 1em; font-size: 1.5em; line-height: 1.467em;" class="">The rules came in the wake of actions such as these by states and cities:</p><p itemprop="articleBody" style="margin: 0px 0px 1em; font-size: 1.5em; line-height: 1.467em;" class="">* Amherst, Mass., began requiring this year that for every house with a wood stove, wood furnace or a device, a fireplace insert, to make a hearth more efficient, someone in the household must get a license to run the stove. If an improperly run fire puts out too much smoke, the city may fine the homeowner up to $500.</p><p itemprop="articleBody" style="margin: 0px 0px 1em; font-size: 1.5em; line-height: 1.467em;" class="">* Telluride, Colo., now issues permits for new wood stoves only if the builder can persuade two other residents to give up theirs. The market price to get a resident to give up his permit is up to $1,000. On Oct. 15 the town began offering a bounty of $750 to anyone who replaces a wood heating system with natural gas.</p><p itemprop="articleBody" style="margin: 0px 0px 1em; font-size: 1.5em; line-height: 1.467em;" class="">* Last month Denver's City Council, for a one-year trial period, made it illegal to burn wood in stoves or fireplaces on days when air pollution is high. Mayor Federico Pena estimated that the ban could reduce the city's ''brown cloud'' as much as one-fourth on the 10 to 15 such days from Nov. 15 to Jan. 15.</p><p itemprop="articleBody" style="margin: 0px 0px 1em; font-size: 1.5em; line-height: 1.467em;" class="">* Lane County, Ore., has a voluntary program to curtail burning from November through February when atmospheric conditions are unfavorable, much as drivers in Los Angeles are asked to take the bus to fight summer smog.</p><p itemprop="articleBody" style="margin: 0px 0px 1em; font-size: 1.5em; line-height: 1.467em;" class="">* In July, Oregon began prohibiting the sale of wood stoves that do not meet state standards, and Colorado will do the same Jan. 1. Happening 'All Over'</p><p itemprop="articleBody" style="margin: 0px 0px 1em; font-size: 1.5em; line-height: 1.467em;" class="">''All across the United States it's happening,'' said Leslie A. Sherlock, town clerk of Telluride, who is the former chairman of an environmental commission there. ''I don't think we're the only oddballs,'' she said, adding that for the 1,000 residents of the town, which is in a canyon, ''our air quality is becoming as important as grocery prices.''</p><p itemprop="articleBody" style="margin: 0px 0px 1em; font-size: 1.5em; line-height: 1.467em;" class="">New Hampshire was considering rules on wood stoves before the Federal Government said it would act.</p><p itemprop="articleBody" style="margin: 0px 0px 1em; font-size: 1.5em; line-height: 1.467em;" class="">Wood stoves and fireplaces are allowed in New York City if they meet fire safety rules, according to Martha Holstein, a spokesman for the Department of Environmental Protection, but she added, ''Black smoke is not permitted.''</p><p itemprop="articleBody" style="margin: 0px 0px 1em; font-size: 1.5em; line-height: 1.467em;" class="">The department issues notices of violation for furnaces and other devices that produce black smoke, and these can lead to a fine of $250 or more and a hearing, she said, but she added, ''We don't generally find that violations occur for the wood stoves and fireplaces.'' Neither is commonly used for heating in the city, she said.</p><p itemprop="articleBody" style="margin: 0px 0px 1em; font-size: 1.5em; line-height: 1.467em;" class="">Connecticut has scattered problems with wood smoke pollution in valley areas but has no regulations, according to James R. Royce, a senior air pollution engineer at the Department of Environmental Protection in Hartford. New Jersey has no regulations, either, according to a spokesman for that state's Department of Environmental Protection, James M. Staples. He added, however, that in New Jersey ''this fallacy of burning wood as an evironmental thing has caught people's fancy.''</p><p itemprop="articleBody" style="margin: 0px 0px 1em; font-size: 1.5em; line-height: 1.467em;" class="">Two years ago New York State moved to tighten safety regulations, but the Department of Environmental Conservation in Albany does not know of any state rules on pollution from wood stoves, according to a spokesman, John F. Moore.</p><p itemprop="articleBody" style="margin: 0px 0px 1em; font-size: 1.5em; line-height: 1.467em;" class="">The new Federal regulations, according to Michael S. Deland, regional administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency for New England, address ''the personal nature of the environmental regulatory movement,'' and the targets are increasingly consumer products like cars or fireplace inserts rather than factory equipment. Tracing to the Arab Embargo</p><p itemprop="articleBody" style="margin: 0px 0px 1em; font-size: 1.5em; line-height: 1.467em;" class="">Problems with wood smoke first became apparent when the Arab oil embargo and later the Iranian revolution sent millions of American homeowners looking for a fuel that was cheaper or simply available. Areas with winter temperature inversions and towns with a lot of wood stoves have developed heavy hazes. Most of the problems are in the Rocky Mountains, the Pacific Northwest and New England.</p><p itemprop="articleBody" style="margin: 0px 0px 1em; font-size: 1.5em; line-height: 1.467em;" class="">But in central Illinois sales of wood stoves have recently risen. This was in part because of increases in electric rates to cover the cost of building nuclear power plants, according to people in the wood stove business.</p><p itemprop="articleBody" style="margin: 0px 0px 1em; font-size: 1.5em; line-height: 1.467em;" class="">According to Robert Pettyjohn, assistant fire chief in Urbana, Ill., the pollution is ''not nearly like leaf burning,'' adding, ''At that time of year, we get 50 calls a day, people sneezing and complaining.'' But on some cold nights, he said, the wood stove pollution ''is just as bad.''</p><p itemprop="articleBody" style="margin: 0px 0px 1em; font-size: 1.5em; line-height: 1.467em;" class="">The idea that something as old-fashioned and pleasant-smelling as a wood stove can be unhealthy has been slow to take hold in some areas. But, according to an attorney for the Natural Resources Defense Council, the environmental group whose lawsuit against the Federal Government led to the new regulations, the hazard is not new. A Pall Over Towns and Cities</p><p itemprop="articleBody" style="margin: 0px 0px 1em; font-size: 1.5em; line-height: 1.467em;" class="">In the last century many towns and cities had a visible pall from wood smoke, according to the attorney, David D. Doniger. ''Probably if you had modern scientists looking at the health of these people, you would find a lot of lung disease related to this,'' he said, adding that in frontier areas, ''if they didn't die of gunshot woulds in poker games, they could die of pollution.''</p><p itemprop="articleBody" style="margin: 0px 0px 1em; font-size: 1.5em; line-height: 1.467em;" class="">Another factor, according to some experts, may be the industry's building stoves big enough to burn all night with a low air supply. That creates a smoldering fire that can put out 35 grams of particles an hour. Some of the older stoves put out as much as 70 grams an hour, as against prescribed limits in the regulation of 7.5 grams by 1990 for new stoves without catalytic converters and 4.1 grams for new stoves with the converters. An intermediate limit would be imposed in 1988.</p><p itemprop="articleBody" style="margin: 0px 0px 1em; font-size: 1.5em; line-height: 1.467em;" class="">The catalytic converter reduces wood stoves' pollution by recycling and reburning the smoke. The devices will not work until the temperature of the flue gases reaches 500 to 600 degrees.</p><p itemprop="articleBody" style="margin: 0px 0px 1em; font-size: 1.5em; line-height: 1.467em;" class="">The company's cleanest-burning model sells for $1,200, of which $300 is the cost for the new technology, said Richard R. Clayton, the president of Vermont Castings Inc., which says it is the largest domestic manufacturer of wood stoves. The Environmental Protection Agency estimated that on most stoves, the additional cost would be $100 to $250.</p><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 1.5em; line-height: 1.467em;" class="">Photo of Richard Russo with his wood burning stove (NYT/Rich Friedman)(Page 36)<span style="line-height: initial;" class=""></span></div></div></div></div><!--end of _originalContent --></div></div>
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