<html><head></head><body lang="en-US" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); line-height: initial;"> <div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">OMG Crispin the sky is refusing to fall on Chicken Little's head! Time to re-model or is it simply a case of mistaken identity where CO2 is falsely accused of being the main culprit in the Climate Change soap opera. What would Gilbert and Sullivan have done with Climate - to change or not to change - as a tragicomic operetta? Think of an adaptation of the Mikado. Who plays the Lord High Executioner.</div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Science and the internet are apparently uneasy bedfellows. Why? Because it is now so easy to provoke world wide media riots by asking talking head experts the wrong questions. Presto: we get to witness scientists behaving badly on NPR and PBS not mention the FOX empire. </div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Where is the defunct Congressional Office of Technology Assessment (OTA) when we desperately need non partisan "science tribunals" capable of bringing together public interest scientists to creatively reconcile their different points of view. </div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">During the 1970's and 80's the OTA created a nonpartisan (neutral) arena in which scientists were formed into balanced teams to research and report upon controversial matters in science to the congressmen and women elected to serve the best interest of their constituents. </div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">In so far as humanly possible, the OTA funded a neutral institutional space where multi-disciplinary teams of scientists were asked to work thru their differences and disagreements over evidence, conceptualizations, methods of observation and instrumentation, and the application of science to the solution of real world problems. The end point of OTA was to avoid counter productive partisan science by growing the common ground and innovating the next generation of experimentation required to practically and theoretically resolve big science questions</div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">The OTA apparently grew from Ralph Nader's path breaking work on consumer protection in the 1960's and 1970's which fed and cross pollinated with the Science for the Citizen Program at NSF. It is obvious to me that we desperately need the heroic services of a resurrected OTA type institution in the USA to replace digital fora with <span style="font-size: initial; line-height: initial; text-align: initial;">face to face meetings and processes that charge small multi-disciplinary groups of scientists with inventing or discovering sufficient common ground to actually serve the public interest in the field of small stoves for the half a billions households at the BOP.</span></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style="font-size: initial; line-height: initial; text-align: initial;"><br></span><span style="font-size: initial; line-height: initial; text-align: initial;"></span></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style="font-size: initial; line-height: initial; text-align: initial;">il they manage to resolve highly partisan issues of such divisive questions as: climate dynamics, gendering, GMO foods, chemical farming, costs/benefits of antibiotics in animal feeds, energy economics and environmental accounting, causes & cures of drug addiction epidemics, and - perhaps even - the identification of APPROPRATE domestic stove indicators and program objectives, etc.....then science will begin to advance the well being of all the citizens of the USA and the citizens of the world. </span></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style="font-size: initial; line-height: initial; text-align: initial;"><br></span></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style="font-size: initial; line-height: initial; text-align: initial;">The list of highly politicized issues is very long and conflicts dividing the experts acrimonous. Tragically the dominant modes of faceless digital communication in these early days of the internet era make it difficult or even impossible to build bridges and discover the latent common ground between right and left, conservative and progressive world views.</span></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style="font-size: initial; line-height: initial; text-align: initial;"><br></span></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style="font-size: initial; line-height: initial; text-align: initial;">Nader as an 80 something activist is now preaching that left and right, conservative and progressive, must unite in the radical center! </span></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style="font-size: initial; line-height: initial; text-align: initial;"><br></span></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style="font-size: initial; line-height: initial; text-align: initial;">The ISO for small stoves is apparently very premature. Imagine Ford and Chevrolet and all the early car makers trying to agree on an ISO that led to the perfect car for the bottom thtird of humanity. Surely we need more of Crispin's high performance stoves which empower the local stove fabricators and traditional fuel producers thereby strengthening the regional economies of Tajekistan et al and everybody up and down the domestic stove value creation chain. If Crispin has helped in situ stove makers to fabricate a superior household stove for ± $30 then let the competition for the Tadjik stove market begin in earnest!</span></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style="font-size: initial; line-height: initial; text-align: initial;"><br></span></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style="font-size: initial; line-height: initial; text-align: initial;">Bravo Crispin!</span></div> <div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br></div> <div style="font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.</div> <table width="100%" style="background-color:white;border-spacing:0px;"> <tbody><tr><td colspan="2" style="font-size: initial; text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"> <div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); border-top-width: 1pt; padding: 3pt 0in 0in; font-family: Tahoma, 'BB Alpha Sans', 'Slate Pro'; font-size: 10pt;"> <div><b>From: </b>Crispin Pemberton-Pigott</div><div><b>Sent: </b>Friday, September 9, 2016 11:41 AM</div><div><b>To: </b>Stoves</div><div><b>Reply To: </b>Discussion of biomass cooking stoves</div><div><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Stoves] News 9 September 2016: Biofuels "worse than petrol" for the environment, new study finds</div></div></td></tr></tbody></table><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-color: rgb(186, 188, 209); border-top-width: 1pt; font-size: initial; text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"></div><br><div id="_originalContent" style=""><div style="display:none"></div> <div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, " slate="" pro',="" sans-serif,="" sans-serif;="" color:="" rgb(31,="" 73,="" 125);="" text-align:="" initial;="" background-color:="" rgb(255,="" 255,="" 255);'="">OMG Crispin the sky is refusing to fall on Chicken Little's head! Time to re-model or is it simply a case of mistaken identity where CO2 is falsely accused of being the main driver in the Climate Change soap opera. What would Gilbert and Sullivan have done with Climate - to change or not to change - as a tragicomic operetta? Think of an adaptation of the Mikado. Who plays the Lord High Executioner.</div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, " slate="" pro',="" sans-serif,="" sans-serif;="" color:="" rgb(31,="" 73,="" 125);="" text-align:="" initial;="" background-color:="" rgb(255,="" 255,="" 255);'=""><br></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, " slate="" pro',="" sans-serif,="" sans-serif;="" color:="" rgb(31,="" 73,="" 125);="" text-align:="" initial;="" background-color:="" rgb(255,="" 255,="" 255);'="">Science and the internet are apparently uneasy bedfellows. Why? Because it is now so easy to provoke world wide media riots by asking talking head experts the wrong questions. Presto: we get to witness scientists behaving badly on NPR and PBS not mention the FOX empire. </div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, " slate="" pro',="" sans-serif,="" sans-serif;="" color:="" rgb(31,="" 73,="" 125);="" text-align:="" initial;="" background-color:="" rgb(255,="" 255,="" 255);'=""><br></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, " slate="" pro',="" sans-serif,="" sans-serif;="" color:="" rgb(31,="" 73,="" 125);="" text-align:="" initial;="" background-color:="" rgb(255,="" 255,="" 255);'="">Where is the defunct Congressional Office of Technology Assessment (OTA) when we desperately need non partisan 'science tribunals' capable of bringing together public interest scientists to resolve their different points of view. During the 1970's and 80's the OTA created a nonpartisan (neutral) arena in which scientists were formed into balanced teams to research and report upon controversial matters in science to the congressmen and women elected to serve the best interest of their constituents. </div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, " slate="" pro',="" sans-serif,="" sans-serif;="" color:="" rgb(31,="" 73,="" 125);="" text-align:="" initial;="" background-color:="" rgb(255,="" 255,="" 255);'=""><br></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, " slate="" pro',="" sans-serif,="" sans-serif;="" color:="" rgb(31,="" 73,="" 125);="" text-align:="" initial;="" background-color:="" rgb(255,="" 255,="" 255);'="">In so far as humanly possible, the OTA funded a neutral institutional space where multi-disciplinary teams of scientists were asked to work thru their differences and disagreements over evidence, conceptualizations, methods of observation and instrumentation, and the application of science to the solution of real world problems. The end point of OTA was to avoid counter productive partisan science by growing the common ground and innovating the next generation of experimentation required to practically and theoretically resolve big science questions</div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, " slate="" pro',="" sans-serif,="" sans-serif;="" color:="" rgb(31,="" 73,="" 125);="" text-align:="" initial;="" background-color:="" rgb(255,="" 255,="" 255);'=""><br></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, " slate="" pro',="" sans-serif,="" sans-serif;="" color:="" rgb(31,="" 73,="" 125);="" text-align:="" initial;="" background-color:="" rgb(255,="" 255,="" 255);'="">The OTA apparently grew from Ralph Nadeor something like it</div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, " slate="" pro',="" sans-serif,="" sans-serif;="" color:="" rgb(31,="" 73,="" 125);="" text-align:="" initial;="" background-color:="" rgb(255,="" 255,="" 255);'=""><br></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, " slate="" pro',="" sans-serif,="" sans-serif;="" color:="" rgb(31,="" 73,="" 125);="" text-align:="" initial;="" background-color:="" rgb(255,="" 255,="" 255);'="">methodologies e wngage with one another facething to face until they manage to resolve highly ompartisan issues of climate dynamics, gendering, GMO foods, chemical farming, fromcost/benefit of antibiotics in animalphl feeds, energy economics and environmental accounting, cause & cures of drug addiction epidemics, the identification of APPROPRATE domestic stove indicators and program objectives, etc.....The list of highly politicized issues is very long and acrimonous. Tragically the dominant modes of faceless digital communication in these early days of the internet era make it difficult or even impossible to build bridges and discover common grounds between right and left, conservative and progressive world views. </div> <div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, " slate="" pro',="" sans-serif,="" sans-serif;="" color:="" rgb(31,="" 73,="" 125);="" text-align:="" initial;="" background-color:="" rgb(255,="" 255,="" 255);'=""><br></div> <div style="display:none"></div> <div style="font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, " slate="" pro',="" sans-serif,="" sans-serif;="" color:="" rgb(31,="" 73,="" 125);="" text-align:="" initial;="" background-color:="" rgb(255,="" 255,="" 255);'="">Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.</div> <div style="display:none"></div><div style="font-size: initial; text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><table width="100%" style="background-color:white; border-spacing:0px;"> <tbody><tr><td></td><td id="_separatorInternal" rowspan="2" style="text-align: center; font-size: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"> <span id="_bb10TempSeparatorText" style="background-color:white; color:#0073BC;font-size:smaller;font-family:"Slate Pro""> Original Message </span> </td></tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #0073BC 1.0pt;"></div> </td></tr></tbody></table></div> <table width="100%" style="background-color:white;border-spacing:0px;"> <tbody><tr><td id="_persistentHeaderContainer" colspan="2" style="font-size: initial; text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"> <div id="_persistentHeader" style="font-size: smaller;font-family:"Tahoma","BB Alpha Sans","Slate Pro",sans-serif,"sans-serif";"> <div id="From"><b>From: </b>Crispin Pemberton-Pigott</div><div id="Sent"><b>Sent: </b>Friday, September 9, 2016 11:41 AM</div><div id="To"><b>To: </b>Stoves</div><div id="ReplyTo"><b>Reply To: </b>Discussion of biomass cooking stoves</div><div id="Subject"><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Stoves] News 9 September 2016: Biofuels 'worse than petrol' for the environment, new study finds</div></div></td></tr></tbody></table><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-color: rgb(186, 188, 209); border-top-width: 1pt; font-size: initial; text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"></div><br><div id="_originalContent" style="">
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The article stimulated a large number of comments at wattsupwiththat.com when it first came out. The best analyses come from the attempts to do an energy accounting of any biofuel system. The surprising result is that biofuels contain a lot of energy that
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As Cecil says, we are eating oil. </div>
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And speaking of biofuels, we tested the first of the dung burning stoves in Bishkek this afternoon, the first of two. The power control was stunning, apparently, as reviewed by the workshop staff. The most impressed was the guy who uses dung exclusively at
home on the range. He found the air controller was also a volume control. Fine power control is requisite for making 'plof' which has a high power phase for 20 minutes then a very low power for the duration. </div>
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The stove will cost about $30. It is simple in the extreme. It is lined with recycled boiler lining bricks. </div>
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<div dir="ltr"><a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2016/08/25/biofuels-worse-than-petrol-for-the-environment-new-study-finds/" target="_blank">Biofuels 'worse than petrol' for the environment, new study finds</a>, Henry Bodkin, Telegraph (UK)<br>
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It's two weeks old, I just saw it. Called 'a landmark new study'; methinks University of Michigan is at least 15 years behind the pioneering study by Kirk Smith, et al. (Joshi and Kishore, among them if I remember correctly.) in AREE 2000. <br>
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In fact, these blokes don't seem to have paid any attention to Smith's work even now. <br>
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Smith looked at all air emissions (save black carbon) and wrote, 'If one were to put carbon in the atmosphere anyway, carbon dioxide is the least harmful form from climate or health points of view. The policy implications of this finding are profound.' (I am
writing from memory.) <br>
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James Hansen (with Sato) had said something quite similar that very year in PNAS. <br>
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DeCicco seems to be stuck in the CO2 mania, ignoring the non-CO2 damage on health and environment.
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BUT he 'ignored the prevailing models and analysed real data on crop production, biofuel production, fossil fuel production and vehicle emissions.'<br>
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IGNORE MODELS AND ANALYZE REAL DATA??? WHAT AN IDEA!!
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Will WHO and EPA/ISO fundamentalist fools take notice? (Pardon my impudence. I am looking for a blood boiling test protocol, whatever the model.) <br>
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There is much more to biomass - fuel or not - and the environment. But the 'biomass renewable energy' cult won't know it.
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Why, the IPCC inventory guidelines shove biomass fuel emissions to LULUCF section and the CDM/'Gold Standard' maniacs of 'improved stoves' obsess over 'renewable biomass fraction' based on some silly CO2 factors. 'Save the earth, kill her children,' seems to
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I for one don't give a damn about computed environmental effects of biomass via CO2. But biomass production and use are closely linked to the lives of the poor - some rich enough to own a bit of land and have access to water (there's rain, after all), some
have to forage and suffer hunger on a daily basis. The real worth of renewable biomass is in human brains; mal/under-nutrition, mal/under-fertilization create psychosocial illnesses whose burden of disease is arguably far greater than that from CO2, EPA and
Obama notwithstanding. <br>
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Nikhil<br>
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Full paper, Open Access <a href="http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10584-016-1764-4" target="_blank">Carbon balance effects of U.S. biofuel production and use</a>, John M. DeCicco, et al. 25 August 2016 doi:10.1007/s10584-016-<wbr>1764-4</div>
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