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The outcome regarding sales will be somewhat unexpected: I won't sell a single stove! What happened yesterday is that the welder, who obviously comes from his 'home, home on the range' said he was going to go home and make one himself. A large % of rural stoves
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This will no doubt lead to the neighbours getting into the act and soon they will be more common in yurts than $20 cell phones. </div>
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What greater slap in the face of Western materialism can there be than the rural poor learning to make their own high performance products and homes without reference to the traditional market economy? Who needs fashion when you have competence and knowledge?</div>
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Who do you think is the major opponent(s) of radically improved stoves? The poor? The users in the peri-rural areas living partly off the land? Not a chance! We are all empire building my friend! Listen for the alarm and follow the grants. Please form a line
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We have all heard on TV of 'climate refugees' I am sure (still looking for a real one). Soon we shall hear of 'stove refugees' as the cooking-deprived flee their native kitchens in search of better cooking in foreign lands. </div>
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Now, how can I get this idea - stove refugees and catering to their needs - a seat on the CO2-powered bus? The road to hell may be paved with good intentions but at least the transport is powered by CO2. There's nothing like a scientific miracle to raise expectations.
Zero Point Energy! Energy will soon be free, free, free at last!</div>
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It is not only stoves that are powered by dung. </div>
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Crispin heading to the bazaar...</div>
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I am faintly aware of that beran-counting - net energy analysis, fossil content, whatever.
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<div>Never understood why anybody should bother. <br>
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Not all PJs are the same. Nothing wrong eating oil. <br>
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When 5,000 of these dung stoves sell in Bishkek, I hope you get the funds to test and sell another 5,000 some 5,000 times over. </div>
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Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2016 21:39:09 +0600<br>
From: Crispin Pemberton-Pigott <<a href="mailto:crispinpigott@outlook.com">crispinpigott@outlook.com</a>><br>
To: Stoves <<a href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">stoves@lists.bioenergylists.<wbr>org</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [Stoves] News 9 September 2016: Biofuels "worse than<br>
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The article stimulated a large number of comments at <a href="http://wattsupwiththat.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">
wattsupwiththat.com</a> ?when it first came out. The best analyses come from the attempts to do an energy accounting of any biofuel system. The surprising result is that biofuels contain a lot of energy that comes from fossil fuels.<br>
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As Cecil says, we are eating oil.<br>
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And speaking of biofuels, we tested the first of the dung burning stoves in Bishkek this afternoon, the first of two. The power control was stunning, apparently, as reviewed by the workshop staff. The most impressed was the guy who uses dung exclusively at
home on the range. He found the air controller was also a volume control. Fine power control is requisite for making 'plof' which has a high power phase for 20 minutes then a very low power for the duration.<br>
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The stove will cost about $30. ?It is simple in the extreme. It is lined with recycled boiler lining bricks.<br>
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