<div dir="ltr">Teddy: <br><br>Thank you so much. <br><br>It's not that cooking done outside homes necessarily has lower exposures to air pollutants or lower safety risks or lower drudgery. India is a fabulous case in point - including my Prime Minister Chaiwalla in his childhood. (Unlucky boys and girls are pressed into service in food/beverage enterprises at 8 or so.) <br><br>But just as controlling power plant or industrial boilers is easier in principle than millions of "traditional stoves", the food industry is also amenable to regulation on safety, working conditions, pollutant exposures. <br><br>In any case, that is the trend - cooking less at home. (As is expansion of electricity and gas access.) It's not as if we have to spend another 50 years to invent miracle stoves that still do not guarantee that the users will eat good and enough food. <br><br>I don't have the statistics to prove it, but would be glad to launch a $100 million data collection and modeling program to show that outsourcing the kitchen has benefits in terms of gender equality, lower burden of disease, climate protection, even boosting Hillary Clinton's image. (She who famously declared she didn't bake cookies.) <br><br>Nikhil<br><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 5:24 PM, Cookswell Jikos <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:cookswelljikos@gmail.com" target="_blank">cookswelljikos@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Good points Nikhil, - I think you will enjoy this book as much as I did if you have not already read it, as will many on this list I hope. <div><br></div><div><a href="https://www.amazon.co.uk/Consider-Fork-History-How-Cook/dp/0141049081" target="_blank">https://www.amazon.co.uk/<wbr>Consider-Fork-History-How-<wbr>Cook/dp/0141049081</a> <br></div><div><br></div><div>She covers alot in this book about the history of so many kitchen 'appliances' including, my favorites, the ageless utility of wooden spoons and from the old welsh castles, <a href="http://www.kitchensisters.org/hidden-kitchens/turnspit-dogs/" target="_blank">Turnspit dogs</a>! </div><div><br></div><div>Quite a few mentions of indoor air pollution and burns from stoves as well and energy considerations. </div><div><br></div><div>Best, </div><div><br></div><div>Teddy </div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><b><br></b></div><div><b><br></b></div><div><b>Cookswell Jikos</b><br><a href="http://www.cookswell.co.ke" target="_blank">www.cookswell.co.ke</a></div><div><a href="http://www.facebook.com/CookswellJikos" target="_blank">www.facebook.com/<wbr>CookswellJikos</a></div><div><a href="http://www.kenyacharcoal.blogspot.com" target="_blank">www.kenyacharcoal.blogspot.com</a></div><div>Mobile: +254 700 380 009 <br></div><div>Mobile: +254 700 905 913</div><div>P.O. Box 1433, Nairobi 00606, Kenya</div><div><img src="https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-mFnK50B4oS8/UUrgJle8z9I/AAAAAAAAB_o/OUjLd7wrKPg/s133/Cookswell+Logo.PNG" width="71" height="96"><br></div><div><font color="#008000" face="Tms Rmn">Save trees - think twice before printing</font><font size="1" color="#008000" face="Tms Rmn">.</font><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><br><br></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="h5">On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 12:13 AM, Traveller <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:miata98@gmail.com" target="_blank">miata98@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="h5"><div dir="ltr"><font face="georgia, serif">Anil Rajvanshi had the right idea - rural restaurants. Eating out - and buying prepared foods - has changed the world, not just "clean cookstoves". <br><br>Outsourcing the kitchen is a path to liberation from the drudgery and boredom of daily cooking - and, if regulated properly (some regulation is everywhere in the world), for employment, food safety and economy, and hence better health outcomes all around. <br><br>WHO/EPA need to get their heads out of the fireboxes - emission rate testing and box modeling to derive concentrations, then presume exposures and ADALYs, all that dirty punk rock (sorry, rockers) - and look at the world. <br><br><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/21/dining/ten-restaurants-that-changed-america-book-paul-freedman.html?_r=0" target="_blank">The Magnificent 10: Restaurants That Changed How We Eat</a> and </font><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:nyt-cheltenham,georgia,"times new roman",times,serif;font-style:italic"><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/09/21/dining/ten-restaurants-that-changed-america-list.html" target="_blank">‘Ten Restaurants That Changed America’: The List</a>. New York Times 20 September 2016. <br></span><font face="georgia, serif"><br></font><div><font face="georgia, serif">Mr. Freedman should do a list of Ten Restaurants that Changed the Medieval Europe.<br><br>Restaurants are not alone; food processing happens all around, and originated in monasteries, royal courts, armies, places of learning and pilgrimage and along the way. <br><br>Households are a statistical category for the intellectually challenged (and disadvantaged by the education and statistics). People need not - and don't - cook and eat at home all the time. The standardization implicit in the "fundamental foolishness" of WHO/EPA exercise is voluntary eye gouging. <br><br><a href="http://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2016/09/21/494262209/food-for-thought-ten-restaurants-that-shaped-america" target="_blank">Food For Thought: 10 Restaurants That Shaped America</a><br><br>The </font><span style="color:rgb(29,33,41);font-size:12px;white-space:pre-wrap"><font face="georgia, serif">history of cooking - and in some places heating - is the history of food, of dwelling, of fire, inside and outside homes. History of humanity.
Bean-counters of Btus, pollutants, DALYs and ADALYs, should survey restaurants and food factories.
Nikhil</font><font face="helvetica, arial, sans-serif">
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