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    Nikhil,<br>
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    Your message is based on playing with words, trying to make "Clean
    Cookstoves" into a silly term because there can be fuel issues.  Of
    course there are fuel issues and stove issues.  That does not make
    the topic silly.<br>
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    If this was just silly stuff, I would not have spent 15 years of my
    life helping to bring TLUD stoves to the top of the solid biomass
    stoves.  <br>
    <br>
    If you  think that clean cookstoves are silly and not important,
    then you are writing to the wrong group of people.  <br>
    <br>
    Paul<br>
    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Doc  /  Dr TLUD  /  Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
Email:  <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>
Skype:   paultlud    Phone: +1-309-452-7072
Website:  <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.drtlud.com">www.drtlud.com</a></pre>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/27/2016 9:13 AM, Traveller wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">Teddy:<br>
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        Thank you. That news item has great relevance to this list. <br>
        <br>
        There are no "clean car engines" per se; their alleged cleanness
        or "emission rates" depend on fuel quality. <br>
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        Which is why "Clean Cookstoves" - global alliances or blogal
        dalliances - is a silly term. <br>
        <br>
        There are no "clean cookstoves" per se; only in combination with
        fuels, and in the context of operating practices and local
        environment (ventilation, wind, ambient air quality, other
        sources of emissions ranging from food and smoking to open
        waste.) <br>
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        The scientist collective at the ISO 2012 IWA on cookstoves (<a
          moz-do-not-send="true"
          href="https://www.iso.org/obp/ui/#iso:std:iso:iwa:11:ed-1:v1:en"
          target="_blank" style="font-size:12.8px">Guidelines for
          evaluating cookstove performance</a><span
          style="font-size:12.8px">) <br>
          <br>
          "</span><span style="font-size:12.8px">"</span><span
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.3333px">recognizes
          that the quality and type of fuel used by a testing centre may
          impact the emissions of a cookstove. Because of that, the
          International Workshop on Cookstoves recommends that testing
          centres document the key physical and operational
          characteristics (e.g. fuel, moisture content, pot size and
          shape) of the system."</span><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br>
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                        </span><span style="font-size:12.8px">Whatever
                          little I know suggests that temperatures and
                          air flows determine the ratio and composition
                          of PICs and that at relatively low
                          temperatures and irregular air flows, fuel
                          chemistry plays a critical role. But there's
                          nothing here about chemical composition.</span><br
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                        <span style="font-size:12.8px">Is it any wonder
                          folks go mumbling about "solid fuels", "dirty
                          fuels"? (More on that later.)</span><br>
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                        WHO/GBD claims on the "global dataset for
                        cooking fuel use" are bubbly champagne - or dope
                        - served up to minors. (Remember the song
                        "Goodnight, farewell" in Sound of Music where
                        Liesel asks for her first taste of champagne?)<br>
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                        Let me put it bluntly - WHO has manufactured a
                        "global emergency" based on non-existent data
                        and questionable intelligence. (<a
                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/10665/204717/1/9789241565233_eng.pdf">Burning
                          Opportunity</a>, marketing the GBD adventure
                        of killing by assumption as a <a
                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.ccacoalition.org/en/news/new-who-report-household-air-pollution-driving-global-health-emergency">global
                          health emergency</a>) <br>
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                        Clean Cookstoves are dirty business. <br>
                        <br>
                        I for one do not believe one needs convincing
                        evidence to act on reducing pollution exposures
                        of vulnerable populations. The challenge is not
                        compiling reams and reams of dubious data and
                        faulty forecasts - of YLD and YLL - but to
                        please the cooks. <br>
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                        Ron here thinks I have soured on science. Living
                        in Washington, I am familiar with the politics
                        of science and the science of politics. What is
                        going on is corrupting intelligence. There is an
                        emergency in "global health", namely, it has
                        little to do with individual health. <br>
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                        Nikhil<br>
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          <div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 8:16 AM,
            Cookswell Jikos <span dir="ltr"><<a
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              <div dir="ltr">What a story....similar to this gem is a
                story in todays newspaper regarding air pollution from
                bad fuel rejected by the EU and dumped in the African
                market - 
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                <div>''<span
style="color:rgb(102,102,102);font-family:raleway,sans-serif;font-size:15px">The
                    high-sulphur fuels also have a knock-on effect,
                    rapidly destroying emission-reducing technologies in
                    vehicles, according to Rob de Jong, the head of the
                    UNEP transport programme. “So if you buy a vehicle
                    that’s a couple of years old and import it into some
                    of the African countries, the technology in there –
                    sensors and filters – all gets spoilt, and these
                    cars, which are potentially very clean, are
                    destroyed in a couple of tanks, and for the next 20
                    years will be belching smoke. It’s important to
                    understand the tragedy of this,” he said. This in
                    turn increases emissions of fine particulate matter,
                    which can lodge deep in the lungs, causing cancers
                    and other health problems.</span></div>
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style="color:rgb(102,102,102);font-family:raleway,sans-serif;font-size:15px">Read
                  more at: </span><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/business/article/2000217548/dirty-diesel-rejected-in-europe-exported-to-africa"
style="color:rgb(51,122,183);text-decoration:none;font-family:raleway,sans-serif;font-size:15px"
                  target="_blank">http://www.standardmedia.<wbr>co.ke/business/article/<wbr>2000217548/dirty-diesel-<wbr>rejected-in-europe-exported-<wbr>to-africa</a>'' 
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                <div>I certainly hope something like this cannot happen
                  with LPG cooking gas or that all those generators in
                  Lagos and Accra are not pumping smoke into the
                  kitchens with induction stoves :(<br>
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