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Nikhil,<br>
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Your message is based on playing with words, trying to make "Clean
Cookstoves" into a silly term because there can be fuel issues. Of
course there are fuel issues and stove issues. That does not make
the topic silly.<br>
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If this was just silly stuff, I would not have spent 15 years of my
life helping to bring TLUD stoves to the top of the solid biomass
stoves. <br>
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If you think that clean cookstoves are silly and not important,
then you are writing to the wrong group of people. <br>
<br>
Paul<br>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/27/2016 9:13 AM, Traveller wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Teddy:<br>
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Thank you. That news item has great relevance to this list. <br>
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There are no "clean car engines" per se; their alleged cleanness
or "emission rates" depend on fuel quality. <br>
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Which is why "Clean Cookstoves" - global alliances or blogal
dalliances - is a silly term. <br>
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There are no "clean cookstoves" per se; only in combination with
fuels, and in the context of operating practices and local
environment (ventilation, wind, ambient air quality, other
sources of emissions ranging from food and smoking to open
waste.) <br>
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The scientist collective at the ISO 2012 IWA on cookstoves (<a
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href="https://www.iso.org/obp/ui/#iso:std:iso:iwa:11:ed-1:v1:en"
target="_blank" style="font-size:12.8px">Guidelines for
evaluating cookstove performance</a><span
style="font-size:12.8px">) <br>
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"</span><span style="font-size:12.8px">"</span><span
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.3333px">recognizes
that the quality and type of fuel used by a testing centre may
impact the emissions of a cookstove. Because of that, the
International Workshop on Cookstoves recommends that testing
centres document the key physical and operational
characteristics (e.g. fuel, moisture content, pot size and
shape) of the system."</span><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br>
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</span><span style="font-size:12.8px">Whatever
little I know suggests that temperatures and
air flows determine the ratio and composition
of PICs and that at relatively low
temperatures and irregular air flows, fuel
chemistry plays a critical role. But there's
nothing here about chemical composition.</span><br
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<span style="font-size:12.8px">Is it any wonder
folks go mumbling about "solid fuels", "dirty
fuels"? (More on that later.)</span><br>
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WHO/GBD claims on the "global dataset for
cooking fuel use" are bubbly champagne - or dope
- served up to minors. (Remember the song
"Goodnight, farewell" in Sound of Music where
Liesel asks for her first taste of champagne?)<br>
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Let me put it bluntly - WHO has manufactured a
"global emergency" based on non-existent data
and questionable intelligence. (<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/10665/204717/1/9789241565233_eng.pdf">Burning
Opportunity</a>, marketing the GBD adventure
of killing by assumption as a <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.ccacoalition.org/en/news/new-who-report-household-air-pollution-driving-global-health-emergency">global
health emergency</a>) <br>
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Clean Cookstoves are dirty business. <br>
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I for one do not believe one needs convincing
evidence to act on reducing pollution exposures
of vulnerable populations. The challenge is not
compiling reams and reams of dubious data and
faulty forecasts - of YLD and YLL - but to
please the cooks. <br>
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Ron here thinks I have soured on science. Living
in Washington, I am familiar with the politics
of science and the science of politics. What is
going on is corrupting intelligence. There is an
emergency in "global health", namely, it has
little to do with individual health. <br>
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Nikhil<br>
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Cookswell Jikos <span dir="ltr"><<a
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<div dir="ltr">What a story....similar to this gem is a
story in todays newspaper regarding air pollution from
bad fuel rejected by the EU and dumped in the African
market -
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<div>''<span
style="color:rgb(102,102,102);font-family:raleway,sans-serif;font-size:15px">The
high-sulphur fuels also have a knock-on effect,
rapidly destroying emission-reducing technologies in
vehicles, according to Rob de Jong, the head of the
UNEP transport programme. “So if you buy a vehicle
that’s a couple of years old and import it into some
of the African countries, the technology in there –
sensors and filters – all gets spoilt, and these
cars, which are potentially very clean, are
destroyed in a couple of tanks, and for the next 20
years will be belching smoke. It’s important to
understand the tragedy of this,” he said. This in
turn increases emissions of fine particulate matter,
which can lodge deep in the lungs, causing cancers
and other health problems.</span></div>
<span
style="color:rgb(102,102,102);font-family:raleway,sans-serif;font-size:15px">Read
more at: </span><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/business/article/2000217548/dirty-diesel-rejected-in-europe-exported-to-africa"
style="color:rgb(51,122,183);text-decoration:none;font-family:raleway,sans-serif;font-size:15px"
target="_blank">http://www.standardmedia.<wbr>co.ke/business/article/<wbr>2000217548/dirty-diesel-<wbr>rejected-in-europe-exported-<wbr>to-africa</a>''
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<div>I certainly hope something like this cannot happen
with LPG cooking gas or that all those generators in
Lagos and Accra are not pumping smoke into the
kitchens with induction stoves :(<br>
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