<div dir="ltr">Dear Paul, Ken, Rebecca and others,<div>the traditional sawdust stove having an L shaped lumen works as a sawdust gasifier, If the lumen diameter is 1/3 or 1/2 the height of the stove. One gets a lot of powdery char in this case. If the lumen diameter is 1/6 the height of the stove, the sawdust burns completely into ash.    </div><div>Yours</div><div>A.D.Karve</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature">***<br>Dr. A.D. Karve<br><br>Chairman, Samuchit Enviro Tech Pvt Ltd (<a href="http://www.samuchit.com" target="_blank">www.samuchit.com</a>)<br><br>Trustee & Founder President, Appropriate Rural Technology Institute (ARTI)<br></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 8:16 PM, Paul Anderson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu" target="_blank">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
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    Ken, Rebecca and all,<br>
    <br>
    I consider it to be UNdesirable to make briquettes or pellets from
    sawdust AND THEN ONLY PYROLYZE THEM to make charcoal.<br>
    <br>
    A.  Wasting the energy to make the densified biomass fuel that will
    not be used as biomass fuel.<br>
    <br>
    B.  Wasting the pyrolytic gases when turning densified biomass into
    char / charcoal.<br>
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    Note:  Pellets are great fuel for TLUDs AND YOU STILL GET THE
    CHARCOAL.  If sawdust is being densified, the densified product can
    be useful.<br>
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    Rebecca, I do not know of any "small, reasonable size" method to
    make raw sawdust directly into charcoal.  Of course it can be done
    in scientific laboratories, and probably in some expensive
    pyrolyzer-style large burners at some sawmill that wants heat, or in
    some fluidized bed gasifier that sprays in the sawdust (utilizing
    its small particle size).  I hope that somebody has a brilliant idea
    someday for a small inexpensive method, but not being done yet, as
    far as I know.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
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    Paul</font></span><span class=""><br>
    <pre class="m_4746168329259002286moz-signature" cols="72">Doc  /  Dr TLUD  /  Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
Email:  <a class="m_4746168329259002286moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu" target="_blank">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>
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    </span><div><div class="h5"><div class="m_4746168329259002286moz-cite-prefix">On 10/13/2016 9:11 AM, Ken Boak wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">Rebecca
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        <div>There's a lot of activity in the Ukraine - using relatively
          low cost wood waste extruders sources from China (Alibaba
          "pini kay"  ) </div>
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        <div><a href="http://piroliz.org/news/2013-12-23-16-50-12/eng" target="_blank">http://piroliz.org/news/2013-<wbr>12-23-16-50-12/eng</a><br>
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        <div>The briquettes are made first  from raw wood waste - then
          pyrolysed in a kiln.  This is an alternative method to
          pressure forming briquettes from charcoal dust with starch
          binder - which might be more appropriate on a village scale.</div>
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        <div>I'm currently investigating both methods to see if I can
          find a cheaper method of creating the pressures needed-  using
          solar generated dc power -  but without using a $3500 machine
          from China.</div>
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        <div>I can produce 50kN with a 1000W dc motor (forklift pump
          motor) and then a hydraulic 50 tonne bottle jack  ($50 China)
          to step this up to 500kN.  This is about 15.5MPa across a 64mm
          diameter briquette.</div>
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        <div>Ken</div>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On 13 October 2016 at 14:57, Crispin
          Pemberton-Pigott <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:crispinpigott@outlook.com" target="_blank">crispinpigott@outlook.com</a>></span>
          wrote:<br>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Dear
                    Rebecca</span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Not
                    that I have heard of.<span class="m_4746168329259002286HOEnZb"></span></span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Crispin</span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Dear
                          Chris, Crispin,</span></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Do
                          you know of a successful project where wood
                          sawdust is converted to charcoal and the
                          charcoal processed into briquettes?</span></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Regards,</span></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Rebecca
                          Vermeer</span></p>
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