<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:small">Dear Ron: <br><br>I didn't mean a general attack on GACC, just a criticism of what I perceive as excesses or errors. My responses between ** below. <br><br>On Tue, Nov 1, 2016 at 1:10 AM, Ronal W. Larson </span><span dir="ltr" style="font-size:small"><<a href="mailto:rongretlarson@comcast.net" target="_blank">rongretlarson@comcast.net</a>></span><span style="font-size:small"> wrote:</span><br></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div>Nikhil, cc list</div><div><br></div><div><span class="m_-3766737516889368967Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>I write this to be supportive of GACC. See below.</div><br><div><span class=""><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Oct 31, 2016, at 2:40 PM, Traveller <<a href="mailto:miata98@gmail.com" target="_blank">miata98@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="m_-3766737516889368967Apple-interchange-newline"><div><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div lang="EN-US"><div class="m_-3766737516889368967gmail-m_-8838367085604077153WordSection1">It is really an neo-imperial enterprise, it seems. </div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><span class="m_-3766737516889368967Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span></span><b>RWL: To me it seems like a great way to draw attention to both the need for and the availability of improved stoves. I understand the word “imperial”, but “neo”? (Aside - my computer changed your “neo” to “net”. )</b></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>** Ron: "Neo-imperialism" is a strain of political theory developed in the 1960s and 1970s as to how former imperial powers were now using instruments of trade policy and military alliances to the harm of poor countries or their governments. I used that term because Mrs Clinton advanced the doctrine that America's foreign relations will cover 3 Ds - Defense, Diplomacy, and Development. From a poor country's view, a rich countriy's "development" project has ulterior motives, sometimes acceptable, sometimes not. ** </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><span class=""><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div lang="EN-US"><div class="m_-3766737516889368967gmail-m_-8838367085604077153WordSection1">Because images influence perceptions. GACC is in the business of raising money and earning bonuses. </div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><span class="m_-3766737516889368967Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span></span><b>[RWL: I think preconceptions influence “perceptions” I believe the stove world is much better off with GACC - who is drawing attention to a problem some people just can’t see. Obviously “raising money” - but I have seen no reference to “bonuses”; your evidence of that?</b><span class=""><br><div><br></div><span class="m_-3766737516889368967Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> ** Look up UN Foundation's IRS reports and draw inferences. The CEO compensation over three years was around $900k. But let's not get personal. I don't know what difference it makes to draw attention of Chef Jose Andres, or Leonardo DeCaprio or Oprah Winfrey. What is the problem that you see? Saving lives? Saving trees? Saving climate? Saving girls'; education prospects? Any evidence for that? ** </span><br><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div lang="EN-US"><div class="m_-3766737516889368967gmail-m_-8838367085604077153WordSection1">The image of three Indian women crouching in front of mostly European Whites says more than the earlier item at the White House. <br></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><span class="m_-3766737516889368967Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span></span><b>[RWL: It seems likely to me that this is a very normal way for women cooks to sit (not “crouch”) in front of their stoves. I’ll have to research “earlier” - which I gather was disappointing to you.</b></div></div></blockquote><div> </div><div>** That criticism had originated in a private e-mail by another correspondent who was aghast at the image. At the White House, Chef Andres used stoves on tables. In Delhi picture, it doesn't look like the cooks were cooking any meals for the audience. ** </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><span class=""><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div lang="EN-US"><div class="m_-3766737516889368967gmail-m_-8838367085604077153WordSection1">This is poverty pornography. Just like those images of women cooking in dark, smokey places. While the queens of Chappaqua and Washington, DC seek to rule the cooking world of the poor. </div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></span><div><span class="m_-3766737516889368967Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span><b>[RWL: Obviously, pornography is in the eye of the beholder. Personally, I fail to understand how a photograph of a smokey kitchen is pornography. I am beginning to understand your politics however - so thank you for further “Chappaqua” evidence of that.</b></div><div><b><span class="m_-3766737516889368967Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>How about telling us how you would have handled this photo-op to draw appropriate attention to the need for stove improvements?</b></div><span class=""><br></span></div></div></blockquote><div>** "Poverty pornography"is marketing pictures that make the charity-minded part with their money. See <a href="http://www.abc.net.au/news/2010-10-12/new_document/39940">Poverty Pornography</a>, ABC 12 June 16. A lot of hyper-degreed experts go to poor families, do surveys, extract information and take pictures that would make their careers by writing papers, doing presentations, and marketing their books or raise funds using those pictures. Oh, of course I have done some of it (until AusAID practically prohibited taking pictures of any child.) **</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><span class=""><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div lang="EN-US"><div class="m_-3766737516889368967gmail-m_-8838367085604077153WordSection1">GACC said, “At a private demonstration held at Delhi’s Imperial Hotel, the chefs learned how sustained use of clean cookstoves and fuels can save lives, improve livelihoods, empower women, and protect the environment."</div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><span class="m_-3766737516889368967Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span></span><b>RWL: Since you don’t comment on it - should we assume you do or do not object to the caption: ‘<i> </i></b><i>save lives, improve livelihoods, empower women, and protect the environment.” ?</i></div><div><span class="m_-3766737516889368967Apple-tab-span" style="font-style:italic;white-space:pre-wrap"> </span><b> My guess is that you couldn’t figure out a way to be negative.</b><span class=""><br><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div lang="EN-US"><div class="m_-3766737516889368967gmail-m_-8838367085604077153WordSection1">** Nyah. I just don't care to say that all the time. It's a claim without substance, and I don't like the research to create an "evidence baser" because the theories of change are so silly. "Protect the environment" - what does that mean? Or "empower women"/ To truly empower women, get them out of the kitchen, go cook in commercial food factories, restaurants. They will get paid for it, and can come home with purchased food herself. Or everybody can go out to eat. (Not really; I am being tendentious and silly.) </div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></span></div></div></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><span class=""><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div lang="EN-US"><div class="m_-3766737516889368967gmail-m_-8838367085604077153WordSection1">Yeah. The Imperial Hotel is a great example itself - employs a lot of women, and has grown trees around. </div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><span class="m_-3766737516889368967Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span></span><b>RWL: I fail to understand this - but am pretty sure it is meant to be derogatory to GACC. You would have recommended holding this photo-op where? You think stove list members equate “grown trees” with “protect the environment”?</b></div><div><b><br></b></div><div><b>**</b> Oh, perhaps. GACC can't see empowerment if they were confronted by it. The women employees of the Imperial are not home, in the kitchen six hours a day. Isn't that empowerment? They still, until recently, had to use twigs, dungcakes and kerosene for cooking. I think this photo op was a waste of money. ** </div></div></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><span class=""><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div lang="EN-US"><div class="m_-3766737516889368967gmail-m_-8838367085604077153WordSection1">If anybody happens to be in New Delhi, I suggest a lunch at the Imperial, probably around $15 plus tip per person, no alcohol. Roam around in the hotel and you will discover interesting historical titbits. </div></div></div></div></blockquote></span><div><span class="m_-3766737516889368967Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span><b>[RWL: I guessed this was a straight statement - until I discovered my computer had initially changed “titbits” to “tidbits”. Now I am totally uncertain what your point is/was.</b></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>** I miswrote. I meant tidbits. My eyes are failing me on this monitor. Or my keyboard is acting up. My point simply was, go see the Imperial. I don't think I have ever stayed there, just had meals 3-4 times. It is a very fine hotel. ** </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><div><b><br></b></div><div><b><span class="m_-3766737516889368967Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>In sum - you have continued to disappoint me. You have an antipathy to GACC that simply baffles me. It would be better for GACC to have never been formed? Ron</b></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div lang="EN-US"><div class="m_-3766737516889368967gmail-m_-8838367085604077153WordSection1">** I apologize, Ron. GACC needs a new roadmap, with less propaganda and self-promotion, and learning that cooking is more than water boiling tests and computed concentrations and exposures that are going to be found in actual use. They have no regard for "contextual design and promotion", or what I may call "Vernacular Stoves". </div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div></div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div> I am not disappointed in GACC. I didn't pay any attention to it until about a year ago. I have no antipathy to GACC per se, just some questionable judgments in using people's money. If they had an annual report and a financial report, one could understand what it is doing and for what. From its website, I see silliness like "<a href="http://cleancookstoves.org/country-profiles/focus-countries/8-uganda.html">Number of death per year from household air pollution - 13,200</a>" I know they are just citing the GBD nonsense. Attribution is not causality, but let me not go off on yet another criticism of abuser of science. <br><br>I don't know what would have been better then GACC. I cannot think of anything worse either. I don't expect much from it other than being a fine-wine-dine-and-shine party for Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Guterres. UN Foundation makes money on GACC. ** <br><br></div></div></div></blockquote><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div lang="EN-US"><div class="m_-3766737516889368967gmail-m_-8838367085604077153WordSection1"> </div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div lang="EN-US"><div class="m_-3766737516889368967gmail-m_-8838367085604077153WordSection1"></div><div class="m_-3766737516889368967gmail-m_-8838367085604077153WordSection1">Nikhil</div><div class="m_-3766737516889368967gmail-m_-8838367085604077153WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> </span><img id="m_-3766737516889368967C033DB4F-9EF1-4966-B337-DEF1326DE92E" height="226" width="320" src="cid:E4660F80-EEE1-4DB2-BA22-CC5805AEEA62"></p></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><span class=""><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div lang="EN-US"><div class="m_-3766737516889368967gmail-m_-8838367085604077153WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span id="m_-3766737516889368967cid:image001.png@01D23381.FCA73520"><image001.png></span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> </span></p><div><div class="m_-3766737516889368967gmail-h5"><div>
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