<p dir="ltr">I would add a specific clause to design and test stove or kitchen systems that can be locally adapted and constructed based on users needs with local materials, sand, straw, clay etc at low to no cost, without the need for specialised manufacturing of any kind. Focusing on user friendly features to help the cook/family be efficient and safe.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Multi pot, hot water, continuous use, start and stop, fuel drying, chimney or flue for exhaust, simmering and food warming,  charcoal option, char creation, easy maintain and clean, easy repair.<br>
Primary focus on users needs, fuel management, add the science later for efficiency, health and safety and testing.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Then train an army of well wishing adventurers to deliver the designs to the source with standardised induction, development (actually option selection) process and train local constructors and knowledge specialists on basics of burning and insulation to construct and repair. <br><br></p>
<p dir="ltr">Tony Vovers</p>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 7 Nov 2016 13:31, "Frank Shields" <<a href="mailto:franke@cruzio.com">franke@cruzio.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word">Dear Tom, Crispin, Stovers, <div><br><div>There is available 30.5 million dollars thats going to be spent by one University to determine if lives will be saved if biomass burners switched over to LPD - an I reading that correctly? So I ask; What would I do with the 30.5 million dollars?</div><div><br></div><div>1) Map out Globally where the poorest of the poor live. People so poor they cannot afford LPG. People the 30.5 funds are ignoring and leaving behind.  </div><div><br></div><div>2) List, collect and categorize the fuels they have available and inventory the amount. </div><div><br></div><div>3) Pick several types of stoves that represent the ones available (rocket, TLUD, rice and dung etc) and determine the fuel characteristics that are most important in the stove operation. </div><div>Moisture, size and shape of particles, carbon density, bulk density, Volatile fraction at 450c, ash etc. etc. </div><div><br></div><div>4) Assay the fuels collected in number (2) for the important parameters found in (3). </div><div><br></div><div>5) Match the available solid biomass fuels to a list of appropriate stoves on the market. </div><div><br></div><div>6) Set up labs and certification program.</div><div><br></div><div>7) List of approved methods for the labs to use in testing. </div><div><br></div><div>8) Once the above is completed we can then take the stoves matched with the appropriate fuels and Cook Food.  </div><div><br></div><div>9) Then is the time to test air quality.</div><div><br></div><div>Wondering what others would do if they got the 30.5 million dollars and wanted to make a difference??</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Regards</div><div><br></div><div>Frank</div><div>Frank Shields</div><div>Gabilan Laboratory</div><div>Keith Day Company</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><div><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Nov 6, 2016, at 10:00 AM, Tom Miles <<a href="mailto:tmiles@trmiles.com" target="_blank">tmiles@trmiles.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="m_2988350279776289955Apple-interchange-newline"><div><div class="m_2988350279776289955WordSection1" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:18px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">The Global Alliance for Chronic Disease (CACD), which is coordinating the study, appears to be looking at LPG as an alternative to wood and not in combination with wood as discussed in the “context” thread. There is no mention of protocols or comparisons among fuels. What is being used to represent “wood” smoke?<span class="m_2988350279776289955Apple-converted-space"> </span><u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><a href="https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/nih-contributes-global-effort-prevent-manage-lung-diseases" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">https://www.nih.gov/news-<wbr>events/news-releases/nih-<wbr>contributes-global-effort-<wbr>prevent-manage-lung-diseases</a><u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">The study appears to be the result of a 2015 funding opportunity announcement and is a joint project of NIH, the Gates Foundation, the Global Alliance for Clean Cookstoves (GACC), and the Global Alliance for Chronic Diseases (GACD). If I have the correct announcement LPG wasn’t specified in the original solicitation. Second hand cigarette smoke was. The solicitation was directed only to  universities. Emory University will conduct the study.<span class="m_2988350279776289955Apple-converted-space"> </span><u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><a href="http://grants.nih.gov/grants/guide/rfa-files/RFA-HL-16-012.html" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">http://grants.nih.gov/grants/<wbr>guide/rfa-files/RFA-HL-16-012.<wbr>html</a><span class="m_2988350279776289955Apple-converted-space"> </span> <u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Are there studies which address the use of multiple fuels and the impact of improved cook stoves?<span class="m_2988350279776289955Apple-converted-space"> </span><u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Tom<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><a name="m_2988350279776289955__MailEndCompose"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></a></div><span></span><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span class="m_2988350279776289955Apple-converted-space"> </span>Stoves [<a href="mailto:stoves-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">mailto:stoves-bounces@lists.<wbr>bioenergylists.org</a>]<span class="m_2988350279776289955Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="m_2988350279776289955Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Traveller<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="m_2988350279776289955Apple-converted-space"> </span>Saturday, November 05, 2016 4:01 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class="m_2988350279776289955Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:adam@instove.org" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">adam@instove.org</a><br><b>Cc:</b><span class="m_2988350279776289955Apple-converted-space"> </span>Discussion of biomass cooking stoves <<a href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">stoves@lists.bioenergylists.<wbr>org</a>><br><b>Subject:</b><span class="m_2988350279776289955Apple-converted-space"> </span>SPAM: Re: [Stoves] NIH and Gates Foundation-Funded Research to Measure Health Benefits of Clean Cookstoves<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">Adam, list: <u></u><u></u></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 12pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">There's more to this, going back to 21 September 2010 when HRC announced GACC at CGI and a press release announcing US support for clean cookstoves. I will send it to you and Tom separately in case you are interested. I have excerpted key parts below.<span class="m_2988350279776289955Apple-converted-space"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">NIH and CDC have spent some $42 m on cookstoves and health as of last FY; probably another $5m this FY just ended in Sept. See <a href="http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2015/09/247240.htm" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">The United States' Commitment to the Global Alliance for Clean Cookstoves: Year Five Progress Report</a>.<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">I don't think new woodstove designs or dissemination have anything to do with that research so far or the new research proposed, which is about<span class="m_2988350279776289955Apple-converted-space"> </span><i>LPG users. </i><u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">As GACC notes, it is to <u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><u></u> <u></u></div></div><blockquote style="margin-left:30pt;margin-right:0in" type="cite"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family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 the most effective ways to introduce and educate users on safety and the proper use of cookstoves. Training programs help prepare scientists in low- and middle-income countries to engage in related research and evaluation activities.<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt 119.25pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Wingdings"><span>§<span style="font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-family:'Times New Roman'"><span class="m_2988350279776289955Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span style="font-size:9.5pt">NIH will also lead and co-sponsor an international state-of-science cookstoves conference in late Spring 2011. The Office of Global Health Affairs, within HHS’ Office of the Secretary, will contribute $100,000 to support this conference.<u></u><u></u></span></div><blockquote style="margin-left:30pt;margin-right:0in" type="cite"><blockquote style="margin-left:30pt;margin-right:0in" type="cite"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 12pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:9.5pt">-<b>Centers for Disease Control (CDC) – $1 million</b></span><u></u><u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-left:30pt;margin-right:0in" type="cite"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><u></u> <u></u></div></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-left:30pt;margin-right:0in" type="cite"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><u></u> <u></u></div></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-left:30pt;margin-right:0in" type="cite"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:9.5pt">As a founding member the CDC is committing to working closely with Alliance members and the global community to:</span><u></u><u></u></div></blockquote></blockquote><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt 119.25pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Wingdings"><span>§<span style="font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-family:'Times New Roman'"><span class="m_2988350279776289955Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span style="font-size:9.5pt">Demonstrate the health benefits of implementing clean cookstove programs<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt 119.25pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Wingdings"><span>§<span style="font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-family:'Times New Roman'"><span class="m_2988350279776289955Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span style="font-size:9.5pt">Better understand the relationship between human exposures and health outcomes<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt 119.25pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Wingdings"><span>§<span style="font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-family:'Times New Roman'"><span class="m_2988350279776289955Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span style="font-size:9.5pt">Integrate cookstove implementation with other public health programs<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt 119.25pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Wingdings"><span>§<span style="font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-family:'Times New Roman'"><span class="m_2988350279776289955Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span style="font-size:9.5pt">Evaluate cookstove program implementation<u></u><u></u></span></div><blockquote style="margin-left:30pt;margin-right:0in" type="cite"><blockquote style="margin-left:30pt;margin-right:0in" type="cite"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><b><span style="font-size:9.5pt">OVERVIEW</span></b><u></u><u></u></div></blockquote></blockquote><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt 119.25pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Wingdings"><span>§<span style="font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-family:'Times New Roman'"><span class="m_2988350279776289955Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><b><span style="font-size:9.5pt">Nearly 2 million premature deaths every year<u></u><u></u></span></b></div><blockquote style="margin-left:30pt;margin-right:0in" type="cite"><blockquote style="margin-left:30pt;margin-right:0in" type="cite"><blockquote style="margin-left:30pt;margin-right:0in" type="cite"><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><b><span style="font-size:9.5pt">............</span></b><u></u><u></u></div></div></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><b><span style="font-size:9.5pt">----------</span></b>----<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">On Sat, Nov 5, 2016 at 2:35 PM, <<a href="mailto:adam@instove.org" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">adam@instove.org</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></div><blockquote style="border-style:none none none solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in" type="cite"><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">I have written to the Director of the NIH about this study, and have not heard back. Sometimes going straight to the top works, but not this time, apparently. <u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">What I would like to know is whether anyone in this community of practice was part of the discussions around this research. At the price tag, this is the single largest cookstove study that I've ever heard of. Anyone know of a larger one? <u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">Anyone know which stove models are going to be studied? <u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">Anyone know how the countries were selected (and Africa was somehow missed)? <u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">Is there any clarity on this? I feel pretty blindsided. I just spoke with a Gates Senior Program officer who retired last month. She reaffirmed what I'd heard before: "No way" that Gates can fund cookstoves. Yet this week...this. <u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">How did this happen? When will details come out? <u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">Anyone have any insights? Would love to be more informed, but feeling pretty blindsided now. Echoing Nikhil's disappointment if this historically-well-funded study by the largest US Foundation turns out to be a paean to LPG. <u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">Would prefer an LPG swan song (re: Nikhil's "wild goose chase").<u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">Adam<u></u><u></u></span></div></div><blockquote id="m_2988350279776289955gmail-m_-4640458746541906493m_196466424099529049replyBlockquote" style="border-style:none none none solid;border-left-color:blue;border-left-width:1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-left:6pt;margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt" type="cite"><div id="m_2988350279776289955gmail-m_-4640458746541906493m_196466424099529049wmQuoteWrapper"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">-------- Original Message --------<br>Subject: Re: [Stoves] NIH and Gates Foundation-Funded Research to<br>Measure Health Benefits of Clean Cookstoves<u></u><u></u></span></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 12pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">From: Traveller <<a href="mailto:miata98@gmail.com" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">miata98@gmail.com</a>><br>Date: Fri, November 04, 2016 5:15 pm<br>To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves<br><<a href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">stoves@lists.bioenergylists.<wbr>org</a>><u></u><u></u></span></p><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">Tom: <u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">This is to cook White House South Lawn meals for the researchers of "links" and "associations" that WHO and GACC can later call "causes". <br><br>It is a "multi-country trial to investigate the correlation between home use of clean cookstoves using liquefied petroleum gas and its measurable health benefits, particularly for women and children."<br><br>Duh!! Why? Don't most cooks want to switch to LPG? This isn't like measuring - if at all possible - "health benefits" - whatever they may be - of newfangled biomass or coal stoves, and then marketing them for the health benefits. If users are going to switch to LPG or electricity anyway, I suppose NIH could get into the health damage due to LPG and electricity. After all, the Empire Promotion Agency has declared that GHGs "endanger" American public's health. <br><br>Coming to think of it, maybe this is an ideological response to the anti-carbon nuts who claim LPG is to be avoided as a "fossil fuel" and "renewable biomass" be pursued exclusively, no matter its health and environmental effects (land, water and labor use, plus reliance on livestock for manure)? <u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">Only in America. How amusing and sad. <u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></div></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">This is a - what? Wild goose chase? Going up alleys known to be blind? <u></u><u></u></span></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">Or confirming the obvious, but subjecting the control group to continue to suffer the health damage? <br><br>What are they going to do with the LPG option offered to users who participate in the study? Take the cylinders and stoves back? <u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">Why even bother, since Kirk Smith says, LPG is "</span><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Georgia,serif">the fuel that could save millions of lives every year. • By definition!</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">" (<a href="http://ehsdiv.sph.berkeley.edu/krsmith/Presentations/2016/SRU%20Oct%2016%20used.pdf" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">Environmental Health in India:What are the issues and what is India doing about it?</a> Sri Ramachandra University, Chennai October 6, 2016.)<u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">All I can say is that the glory of Gates in the Global Burden of Disease - Killing by Assumption - is enhanced by the US government. Keeps Washington (DC and State) busy. <u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">Nikhil<u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"><br clear="all"><u></u><u></u></span></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Georgia,serif"><br>------- </span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><blockquote style="border-style:none none none solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in" type="cite"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"><br><br>------------------------------<wbr>------------------------------<wbr>----------<br><br>Message: 1<br>Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2016 11:14:30 -0700<br>From: "Tom Miles" <<a href="mailto:tmiles@trmiles.com" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">tmiles@trmiles.com</a>><br>To: "'Discussion of biomass cooking stoves'"<br>        <<a href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">stoves@lists.bioenergylists.<wbr>org</a>><br>Subject: [Stoves] NIH and Gates Foundation-Funded Research to Measure<br>        Health Benefits of Clean Cookstoves<br>Message-ID: <018f01d233a2$a13661e0$<wbr>e3a325a0$@<a href="http://trmiles.com/" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">trmiles.com</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"<br><br><a href="http://cleancookstoves.org/about/news/10-25-2016-nih-and-gates-foundation-funded-research-to-measure-health-benefits-of-clean-cookstoves.html" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">http://cleancookstoves.org/<wbr>about/news/10-25-2016-nih-and-<wbr>gates-foundation-fu<br>nded-research-to-measure-<wbr>health-benefits-of-clean-<wbr>cookstoves.html</a><br><br>- <u></u><u></u></span></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;text-align:center"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"><hr size="3" width="100%" align="center"></span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 12pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>Stoves mailing list<br><br>to Send a Message to the list, use the email address<br><a href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">stoves@lists.bioenergylists.<wbr>org</a><br><br>to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page<br><a href="http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">http://lists.bioenergylists.<wbr>org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_<wbr>lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br><br>for more Biomass Cooking Stoves, News and Information see our web site:<br><a href="http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">http://stoves.bioenergylists.<wbr>org</a>/<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></blockquote></div></blockquote></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><u></u> <u></u></div></div></div></div><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:18px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">______________________________<wbr>_________________</span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:18px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:18px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">Stoves mailing list</span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:18px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:18px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:18px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">to Send a Message to the list, use the email address</span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:18px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><a href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline;font-family:Helvetica;font-size:18px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" target="_blank">stoves@lists.bioenergylists.<wbr>org</a><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:18px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:18px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:18px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page</span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:18px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><a href="http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline;font-family:Helvetica;font-size:18px;font-style:normal;font-variant-cap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