<div dir="ltr">Dear Cecil: <br><br><div class="gmail_extra">I suggest listening to <a href="https://soundcloud.com/tim-harford-economics/gillian-tett-the-anthropology">Gillian Tett: The Anthropology of Economics 16 Jul 2013</a>.<br><br>Tett is a major writer for the Financial Times. She talks about how some people deify computer models without thinking about human beings. <br><br>I am afraid that is the case with ISO/IWA, WHO/BAMG exercises. <br><br>I wrote of this "box mentality" before -- reducing stoves to fireboxes and human beings to lungs. Running computer models about oxidation without bothering about fuel chemistry, human biology, society, culture, food, sex, production, consumption. <br><br>"Scientist" is a job category, like "lawyer", "sweeper", "fixer". Not everything that scientists do is science. <br><br>I disagree with Crispin about "<span style="font-family:calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14.6667px">inflated claims for health impact from cooking fire smoke" </span>bit. It's all a matter of definitions, data, methods. A matter of opinion. <br><br>It is presumptuous to "learn to see the truth". All I can do is verify particular opinions via examination of definitions, data, methods. It is my opinion that WHO assertions on IAQ and attribution of BOD are unverifiable. <br><br>I choose to call it - and the hyperboles from GACC - hocus pocus. But others should examine. <br><br><br>Nikhil<br><br><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"> </div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div class="gmail-m_5329751198283742187m_-4835886248214277823gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-size:12.8px"><font face="georgia, serif"><i> </i></font></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Dec 10, 2016 at 6:25 PM, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:cec1863@gmail.com" target="_blank">cec1863@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="en-US" style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255);line-height:initial"> <div style="width:100%;font-size:initial;font-family:calibri,"slate pro",sans-serif,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);text-align:initial;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Dear CPP,</div><div style="width:100%;font-size:initial;font-family:calibri,"slate pro",sans-serif,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);text-align:initial;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br></div><div style="width:100%;font-size:initial;font-family:calibri,"slate pro",sans-serif,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);text-align:initial;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">As an anthropologist with too many years of experience in the field talking to folks about their stoves and other types of technos I have learned that the challenge and the art and even the revelation depends on knowing which questions to ask, how to ask them (in what language to ask these questions), how to record and aggregate the answers, and how to communicate your findings to decision makers who are trapped in a welter of competing agendas and paradigms.</div><div style="width:100%;font-size:initial;font-family:calibri,"slate pro",sans-serif,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);text-align:initial;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br></div><div style="width:100%;font-size:initial;font-family:calibri,"slate pro",sans-serif,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);text-align:initial;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">My anthropological conversations and feed back from stove users, makers, sellers, fuel suppliers,etc to policy makers and funders is like water off a ducks back. Maybe I am studying the wrong subjects......maybe I should study the policy makers and funders and standard setters in Euro American high places. I need to study up from the stove users point of view at the BOP.</div><div style="width:100%;font-size:initial;font-family:calibri,"slate pro",sans-serif,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);text-align:initial;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br></div><div style="width:100%;font-size:initial;font-family:calibri,"slate pro",sans-serif,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);text-align:initial;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Cecil </div> <div style="width:100%;font-size:initial;font-family:calibri,"slate pro",sans-serif,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);text-align:initial;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br style="display:initial"></div> <div style="font-size:initial;font-family:calibri,"slate pro",sans-serif,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);text-align:initial;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Sent from my BlackBerry 10 sma<wbr>rtphone.</div> <table width="100%" style="background-color:white"> <tbody><tr><td colspan="2" style="font-size:initial;text-align:initial;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"> <div style="border-style:solid none none;border-top-color:rgb(181,196,223);border-top-width:1pt;padding:3pt 0in 0in;font-family:tahoma,"bb alpha sans","slate pro";font-size:10pt"> <div><b>From: </b>Crispin Pemberton-Pigott</div><div><b>Sent: </b>Saturday, December 10, 2016 3:38 AM</div><span><div><b>To: </b>Discussion of biomass cooking stoves</div></span><div><b>Reply To: </b>Discussion of biomass cooking stoves</div><div><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Stoves] Offtopic: Malawi and responsibility (Andrew, Roger)</div></div></td></tr></tbody></table><div style="border-style:solid none none;border-top-color:rgb(186,188,209);border-top-width:1pt;font-size:initial;text-align:initial;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"></div><br><div id="gmail-m_5329751198283742187m_-4835886248214277823m_8313783266804020722_originalContent">
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<p class="MsoNormal">Well, we should learn to seek the truth then:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">That is from Scott Adams, the creator of Dilbert.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">He is right of course – Dilbert is smart.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">The pattern I recognise is inflated claims for health impact from cooking fire smoke translated into funding to avert “the health crisis”.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">If one wants to improve the lot of the poor, in the kitchen, ask them what bothers them about their stoves and cooking experiences. They will freely tell you.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">Regards<br>
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