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Crispin, ( added the Biochar Listserve that can discuss this on
that Listserv separately from the Stover point of view. They should
read Crispin's message (at bottom) before reading this message from
me.)<br>
<br>
Hold on. Let's have clarity. You wrote:
<blockquote type="cite"><b style="text-align: initial; line-height:
initial; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Slate Pro';">So,
would you support efforts to cut the amount of coal consumed in
half?</b></blockquote>
I am sure that you did not mean for the whole world, but that you
did intend to say:<br>
<br>
<i>So, would you support efforts to cut in half the amount of coal
consumed by people who are already consuming coal because they
have no other fuel option and their climate has cold winters, so
not coal burning would mean death. Therefore, they WILL burn
coal, and I am only asking about cutting that amount of coal in
half. AND the stove to do that is cleaner burning than what they
currently have. Would you support that?<br>
<br>
</i>I am sure that Ron can agree to that longer statement. I hope
we are all in agreement.<br>
<br>
Now, there is a second issue. You wrote:
<blockquote type="cite"><b style="text-align: initial; line-height:
initial; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Slate Pro';">taking
biomass and instead of using the energy available, burying it in
the ground, thereby increasing the demand for cutting it. I</b><b
style="font-size: initial; text-align: initial; line-height:
initial; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Slate Pro';"> find
this remarkable. </b></blockquote>
Again, unclear about "burying IT in the ground." The IT is not
biomass. The IT is charcoal in the form of biochar. <br>
<br>
I am sure that Ron does believe that. And so to I. What I find
remarkable is the you (Crispin) seem to not agree with that
activity. And here is why you might want to agree.<br>
<br>
The world now has TLUD stoves. Compared to 3-stone and simple mud
stoves, to do the same cooking tasks (but with cleaner cooking)
TLUDs use only half or less than half of the FUEL used for
traditional cooking. I said FUEL, not energy. AND there is still
the charcoal coming out of the TLUD stove. So the charcoal is just
a fringe benefit. It happens in TLUD stoves. So, if Ron or I or
others want to bury it, that should not be objectionable. In fact,
in the "Case Study... Deganga" article at my website, the women
(cooks) are delighted to SELL that TLUD-created charcoal to the
charcoal buyers. The women earn about $2.50 to $3 per month.
Important money to them. And they do not care about where that char
goes. 12,000 TLUDs are producing about 10 TONS of good quality char
each DAY in that Deganga area. 12,000 household selling US$2.50 of
char each month is a cash flow of $30,000 each month. That becomes
a business. BTW, that Deganga char is re-sold for burning, and not
used as biochar. At least not yet.<br>
<br>
Sorry, I digressed a bit. Now back to the point. By burying char
as biochar, each ton of C (carbon) has the CO2eq of 3.66 tons. So
10 tons would be over 36 tons of CO2eq per day. In one month that
would be over 1000 tons per month.<br>
<br>
The "street price" of a ton of CO2eq (that is, one carbon credit) is
variable, but yesterday on the Internet I saw prices of $8 to $25
per carbon credit. 1000 tons per month X $10 per CC becomes
$10,000. Note that $10,000 is only one third of the cash flow of
$30,000 from selling the char. But for $30 per carbon credit, the
women would sell the char to someone who wants to bury it. And I
have heard that carbon credit prices could go past $50 with the
increased interest in climate change.<br>
<br>
Well, biochar is believed to enhance soil characteristics. I think
the evidence supports that, but that is not the issue now. The
issue is that some poor lady using a TLUD stove is getting some
money to help her family survive and get ahead, maybe buying a
school uniform for a daughter, or purchasing some medicine. <br>
<br>
I hope that clarifies some of the issues.<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
Email: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>
Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072
Website: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.drtlud.com">www.drtlud.com</a></pre>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/13/2016 9:40 PM, Crispin
Pemberton-Pigott wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:YTOPR01MB0235BDAA592C179F2CE86C6BB19A0@YTOPR01MB0235.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM"
type="cite">
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<b style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Slate Pro';">Dear
Ron</b></div>
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<b style="text-align: initial; line-height: initial; color:
rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Slate Pro';">"The big difference
is not in the combustion characteristics ...it is in the</b><b
style="text-align: initial; line-height: initial; color:
rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Slate Pro';"> global warming </b><b
style="text-align: initial; line-height: initial; color:
rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Slate Pro';">impact of all the
fossil carbon sources."</b></div>
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text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">
<b style="text-align: initial; line-height: initial; color:
rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Slate Pro';">So, would you support
efforts to cut the amount of coal consumed in half?</b></div>
<div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri,
'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);
text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">
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rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Slate Pro';"><br>
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<b style="text-align: initial; line-height: initial; color:
rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Slate Pro';">If not, I think you
owe us an explanation. You have strongly advocated the
reduction of CO2 emissions even going to the extent of taking
biomass and instead of using the energy available, burying it
in the ground, thereby increasing the demand for cutting it. I</b><b
style="font-size: initial; text-align: initial; line-height:
initial; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Slate Pro';"> find
this remarkable. </b></div>
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'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);
text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">
<b style="font-size: initial; text-align: initial; line-height:
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</b></div>
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text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">
<b style="font-size: initial; text-align: initial; line-height:
initial; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Slate Pro';">I
know you have many times expressed a rejection of coal
combustion on any scale. So will you support an effort that
delivers a 50% reduction in its consumption?</b></div>
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'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);
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<b style="font-size: initial; text-align: initial; line-height:
initial; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Slate Pro';">There
is no chance whatsoever that the poor of Kyrgyzstan will use
biomass instead of coal. There isn't any. </b></div>
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<b style="font-size: initial; text-align: initial; line-height:
initial; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Slate Pro';">The
capital of Tajikistan is piped for natural gas, all over the
place. But there is no gas at all. So they burn coal. Since
the dissolution of the Soviet Union the rural population has
swept the trees off the mountain sides. They are bare. There
is only coal and dung. The dung is needed for agriculture. </b></div>
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<b style="font-size: initial; text-align: initial; line-height:
initial; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Slate Pro';">I
think they have a RIGHT to burn coal and that right shall not
be abrogated by rich foreigners telling them they should
freeze to death.
</b></div>
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<b style="text-align: initial; line-height: initial; color:
rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Slate Pro';">Regards </b></div>
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