<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">List: cc Nikhil and Crispin</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Please note that the terms biomass and biomass stoves nowhere appear below. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>I take this whole message as proof again that we are hearing from a climate denier; the whole world couples the words “coal” and “climate”. Not here.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>I have underlined and bolded Nikhil’s terms below that lead me again to this sad “denier” conclusion. Glad to explain my underlining if anyone doesn’t understand how out of place this whole message is on this list.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>The last three sentences are incomprehensible - and are NOT supported in any way by the NY Times article that is referenced. I read it as mostly arguing against coal for India. Apparently Nikhil views it oppositely.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Along the way, I came across these two on coal and health in India:</div><div class=""><a href="http://www.nature.com/articles/nature15371.epdf?referrer_access_token=oPeC6dMw8E4sF-wJpHFKKdRgN0jAjWel9jnR3ZoTv0P7-mtyJ35yzVDTICbqYE-HmpWfKkzyRVYn1vpVPXnMBvMSXCFBNhib1tmNYqxPwBhH4iuV771SpdzIBDOJNBo8kBjWzyk_QX4lD7LU26XKSnKplulipZuS368wPUJmIPhDa2DhAMnAPfoufW0lL-vMldUqBJjocJsxa4rmPr5QxsIXX-r3_-i41wAMFKzMthxZNl6wBXPJkAElbxn8P4Z9vTEs7D4sYVGy9VjWy4k54A==&tracking_referrer=www.theguardian.com" class="">http://www.nature.com/articles/nature15371.epdf?referrer_access_token=oPeC6dMw8E4sF-wJpHFKKdRgN0jAjWel9jnR3ZoTv0P7-mtyJ35yzVDTICbqYE-HmpWfKkzyRVYn1vpVPXnMBvMSXCFBNhib1tmNYqxPwBhH4iuV771SpdzIBDOJNBo8kBjWzyk_QX4lD7LU26XKSnKplulipZuS368wPUJmIPhDa2DhAMnAPfoufW0lL-vMldUqBJjocJsxa4rmPr5QxsIXX-r3_-i41wAMFKzMthxZNl6wBXPJkAElbxn8P4Z9vTEs7D4sYVGy9VjWy4k54A%3D%3D&tracking_referrer=www.theguardian.com</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><a href="https://www.wired.com/2015/11/climate-change-in-india/" class="">https://www.wired.com/2015/11/climate-change-in-india/</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>But I propose that we drop the topic here on this list. I’ll join Nikhil on another list of his choosing - with my expectation that much of the discussion about coal will have a climate flavor totally absent from Nikhil’s message below. That climate topic is an important part of many on this list’s reason for discussion on the carbon negativity aspects of charcoal-making stoves. India appears to be the main stumbling block to a happy climate future - while likely also having an even greater pollution than their #1 position today (both Indoor and outdoor). I had hoped for better from Prime Minister Modi. Thank goodness that China is on a different path.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>I urge others to decide whether Nikhil continuing negative reactions to Kirk Smith (very active in India), GACC (very active in India) and DALYs (highest in India) are somehow related to his defending India’s likely growing (not declining) use of coal. I repeat I am planning to not talk any more about coal (and especially coal in India) any more on this list. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Ron</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jan 6, 2017, at 2:49 PM, Traveller <<a href="mailto:miata98@gmail.com" class="">miata98@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">Crispin: <br class=""><br class=""><u class=""><b class="">No news</b></u>. <u class=""><b class="">Emission inventories manufacture emissions</b></u>, whether or not they actually show up in air quality anywhere. It is <u class=""><b class="">usual deceit</b></u> to claim emissions kill. Of course they don't, no more than "fuels kill" or "cooking kills". <br class=""><br class="">To the extent that polluting exposures occurred largely in confined areas - home or elsewhere - adoption of cleaner cooking devices and practices can be expected to <u class=""><b class="">appeal to coal users</b></u>, and health gains will probably be measurable. <br class=""><br class="">However, with this kind of modeling, without any specific assumption about "ventilation factor", ambient air quality will not change until there was a mass shift to <u class=""><b class="">cleaner coal</b></u> stoves. AND no other source of pollutants "compensated" for such emission reductions from <u class=""><b class="">cleaner coal</b></u> stoves. (E.g., dust from construction and transport activities or land-clearing.) AND that new emissions or natural events - dust storms - did not increase the aggregate toxicity. (You see, this is why specific PM2.5 chemicals are NOT identified. Because then <u class=""><b class="">fuels can be blamed</b></u> for deaths and disability, climate change, or whatever else The <u class=""><b class="">Gold Standard</b></u> folks next <u class=""><b class="">want to raise money</b></u> for.) <div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Household <u class=""><b class="">coal </b></u>use in <b class=""><i class="">India</i></b> is concentrated in one state - Jharkhand (which was previously a part of Bihar). It is widely distributed on bicycles, as in attached picture. Reminds me of Lilongwe-Blantyre road. <br class=""><br class="">In other states, it is concentrated near <u class=""><b class="">coal mines or coal power</b></u> plants. (Used to be near railway stations and some industrial sites where <u class=""><b class="">coal</b></u> was used, because it was easy to pilfer some.) <br class=""><br class="">Now, <u class=""><b class="">why would anybody bothe</b></u>r with CO2 emissions from poor people? <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/18/world/coal-rush-in-india-could-tip-balance-on-climate-change.html" style="font-family:nyt-cheltenham,georgia,"times new roman",times,serif;font-style:italic" class="">Coal Rush in India Could Tip Balance on Climate Change</a><span style="font-family: nyt-cheltenham, georgia, 'times new roman', times, serif; font-style: italic;" class="">, Gardiner Harris, NY Times 27 Nov 2014. </span></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Because, per kg of coal, the more efficient the combustion, <u class=""><b class="">the more the CO2 portion</b></u> of carbon emissions. <br class=""><br class="">Therefore, <span class=""><b class="">under the </b><u class=""><b class="">current method of IPCC inventories, more efficient solid fuel devices will be strongly discouraged!</b></u></span><u class=""><b class="">!<br class=""></b></u><br class=""></div><div class="">Nikhil</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span id="cid:ii_15975b8791216a4a"><image.png></span><br class=""><div class="gmail_extra"><div class=""><div class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><span style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:12.8px" class="">--------- </span></div><div style="font-size:12.8px" class=""><font face="georgia, serif" class="">(US +1) 202-568-5831<br class=""><i class=""> </i></font></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 2:41 PM, Crispin Pemberton-Pigott <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:crispinpigott@outlook.com" target="_blank" class="">crispinpigott@outlook.com</a>></span> wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<div class="gmail-m_1327252402716548769WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif" class="">Dear Darpan<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif" class="">As you are working on a problem shared in focus by several other graduate students I would like to introduce you to three other teams working on
the same issue. <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif" class="">I will write separately on the contacts.
<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif" class="">I am very interested that you think that CO from coal-fired cooking stoves is a measurable pollution problem anywhere. It might be in the vicinity
of the fire, but in the ambient air? That would be news. <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif" class="">It should be obvious (but may not be) that if the coal were burned with extremely low PM and CO emissions, the perception and reality of using coal
as a domestic fuel would be changed dramatically. For those who are interested in getting extremely poor people to reduce their emission of CO2 annually, a fuel-efficient coal stove would also be of interest.
<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif" class="">Thank you for noting and providing some numbers on the increase in coal use as a domestic fuel in a tropical country. There is often a broad assumption
that hot countries use biomass exclusively for cooking. You will no doubt be impressed that in some places the portion of people using coal for at least some of their cooking approaches 100% in winter.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif" class="">Are you willing to share more specifics on the focus of your research?<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif" class="">Many thanks<span class="gmail-HOEnZb"><font color="#888888" class=""><br class="">
Crispin<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></font></span></span></p><span class="gmail-"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""> </u></span></p></span></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div>
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