<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Hi Paul,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I was thinking carbon credits would only go to char that was mixed into soil. So it surprised me to read it wasn’t and it seems to indicate there is some other form of char that is. As to the pricing i have no clue. But the only form of char to be given CC is char fixed into something like soil IMO. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Frank</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jan 11, 2017, at 8:27 PM, Paul Anderson <<a href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu" class="">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">
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Hello?? Hello????? Anybody home?????<br class="">
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I sent the message below three days ago. It is about financing of
cookstoves and about carbon credit recognition for charcoal in to
soil (biochar). I thought that this was an important topic.
Maybe I did not write clearly.<br class="">
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Thus far I have receive exactly ONE reply, and it was off-list.
Additional replies would be appreciated, whether pro or con or
neutral.<br class="">
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Paul<br class="">
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<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
Email: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>
Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072
Website: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.drtlud.com/">www.drtlud.com</a></pre>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/9/2017 12:50 AM, Paul Anderson
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Frank, Stovers, and Charists.<br class="">
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I am responding to Frank's question that is below.<br class="">
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No carbon credits are given for biochar because that is the way
the current carbon credit system is structured for that Deganga
project (link is given below). That is beyond the control of that
project.<br class="">
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HOWEVER, I am organizing a similar Champion TLUD stove project in
East Darjeeling District, West Bengal, India (exactly on the
border with Bhutan). That project has new rules about its carbon
credits. And I am stating that the incorporation of biochar into
soils is eligible for carbon credits. I will be presenting this
at the ETHOS session Saturday evening 28 January. in the Seattle
area.<br class="">
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Note: Carbon credits are essentially an intangible commodity that
can be linked to specific acts, such as the irreversible,
scattered burial of appropriate carbon into soil. Will someone
pay to have that char-burial (making it unburnable) occur? THAT
is the same as paying for voluntary carbon credits. <br class="">
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When (not if) that "unburnableness" of char is possible in a
reasonably documented manner, would someone pay for that to
happen? I think that some people will A) pay for the
carbon-negative burial of the equivlaent of 1 tCO2; or B) pay to
have biochar into soil; or C) pay to accomplish both A and B; or
D) pay as a donation to a real biochar project in an impoverished
country; or E) pay for any other reason (such as "they like Paul
Anderson.") <br class="">
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It takes about 250 kg (quarter ton) of dry un-treated (raw)
biochar to make 1 tonne CO2eq., and that amount of char comes from
1 TLUD stove used daily in one household during one year (based on
India field data, not just laboratory calculations). I think that
such an amount that is PERMANENTLY SEQUESTERED should be worth TWO
carbon credits, but that will need to be debated and resolved. <br class="">
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I intend to place that amount of char on the market for US$20,
being the price for EITHER one Biochar Credit or two Carbon
Credits. I think that is a fair price. What do you think? Can
the price be higher? <br class="">
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The East Darjeeling project will also be selling single Carbon
Credits for $10.<br class="">
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Will anyone purchase it (as 2 carbon credits and they do not care
about the char as long as it is made unburnable) (or as one
biochar credit) and donate it to a serious biochar project in the
local area? <br class="">
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THAT is a serious question. And I ask it to everyone who is
reading this email. $20 for biochar. And there will be tens of
thousands of those "Biochar Credits" every year. <br class="">
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Remember, this is BOTH a Biochar Listserv topic (obviously) AND a
Stoves Listserv topic (as it relates to how to finance the stoves
that we want to disseminate.) To be discussed on the lists
separately.<br class="">
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I will be discussing this further, providing information as fast
as I can. I will see your responses, but I have work to do and
will let others lead the discussions / debates. (Please be
sure that all discussants have read the Deganga TLUD report.
Otherwise, the above statements and their comments will not make
sense.) <br class="">
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Paul<br class="">
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Email: <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>
Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072
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<div class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri; font-size:
11pt;" class="">I searched for the Deganga study and found
it to be interesting. One statement in the report i do not
understand:</span></div>
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"3. The produced TLUD char cannot generate credits if it is
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<div class="">“cannot generate credits if it is burned by the
household” - thats makes sense.</div>
<div class="">“or used as biochar for soil amending”? - that
makes NO sense.</div>
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<div class="">Amazing number of hurtles that you must have
overcome to set the program in motion.</div>
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<div class="">Thanks</div>
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<div class="">Frank</div>
<div class="">Frank Shields</div>
<div class="">Gabilan Laboratory</div>
<div class="">Keith Day Company, Inc.</div>
<div class="">1091 Madison Lane</div>
<div class="">Salinas, CA 93907</div>
<div class="">(831) 246-0417 cell</div>
<div class="">(831) 771-0126 office</div>
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