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    Ron, A.D., and Frank, and Brian Lewis (and all)   (combining
    responses from both Biochar and Stoves Listservs.)<br>
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    Ron, I am not quite ready to sell them yet.   It will be via one of
    my websites and to a regulated Not-For-Profit corporation.   I need
    another week or two.   And the proceeds all go to TLUD stove
    projects that are generating the credits.   Does not go to general
    TLUD stove projects that are outside of the closely monitored TLUD
    carbon credit projects.<br>
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    Frank,  I am preparing explanations abour carbon credits, so my
    reply is delayed.  <br>
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    A. D.,   Your question is about the role of charcoal in soils is the
    subject of the Biochar Listserv (you replied from the Stoves
    Listserv.).   Please see the Biochar Listserv archives or subscribe
    there.<br>
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    Brian,  Thanks for your comment supporting higher value (Carbon
    credit price) for carbon credits that come from TLUD cookstoves.   I
    am starting with US$10 per carbon credit from regular emission
    reductions such as reduced wood fuel usage, and asking for 2 CC for
    the char equivalent.   All to be explained within 2 weeks, before
    the ETHOS conference.<br>
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    Thanks for writing.<br>
    <br>
    Paul<br>
    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Doc  /  Dr TLUD  /  Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
Email:  <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>
Skype:   paultlud    Phone: +1-309-452-7072
Website:  <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.drtlud.com">www.drtlud.com</a></pre>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/11/2017 10:34 PM, Ronal W. Larson
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        for delayed response.  Missed that you were looking for one.  I
        am pleased that you are doing this.  I will sign up for some air
        flight mitigation.  Where do I go?</div>
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                Hello?????   Anybody home?????<br class="">
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                I sent the message below three days ago.   It is about
                financing of cookstoves and about carbon credit
                recognition for charcoal in to soil (biochar).   I
                thought that this was an important topic.   Maybe I did
                not write clearly.<br class="">
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                Thus far I have receive exactly ONE reply, and it was
                off-list.  Additional replies would be appreciated,
                whether pro or con or neutral.<br class="">
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                Paul<br class="">
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                <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Doc  /  Dr TLUD  /  Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
Email:  <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>
Skype:   paultlud    Phone: +1-309-452-7072
Website:  <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.drtlud.com/">www.drtlud.com</a></pre>
                <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/9/2017 12:50 AM, Paul
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                  Frank, Stovers, and Charists.<br class="">
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                  I am responding to Frank's question that is below.<br
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                  No carbon credits are given for biochar because that
                  is the way the current carbon credit system is
                  structured for that Deganga project (link is given
                  below).  That is beyond the control of that project.<br
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                  HOWEVER, I am organizing a similar Champion TLUD stove
                  project in East Darjeeling District, West Bengal,
                  India (exactly on the border with Bhutan).  That
                  project has new rules about its carbon credits.  And I
                  am stating that the incorporation of biochar into
                  soils is eligible for carbon credits.  I will be
                  presenting this at the ETHOS session Saturday evening
                  28 January. in the Seattle area.<br class="">
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                  Note:  Carbon credits are essentially an intangible
                  commodity that can be linked to specific acts, such as
                  the irreversible, scattered burial of appropriate
                  carbon into soil.  Will someone pay to have that
                  char-burial (making it unburnable) occur?   THAT is
                  the same as paying for voluntary carbon credits.   <br
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                  When (not if) that "unburnableness" of char is
                  possible in a reasonably documented manner, would
                  someone pay for that to happen?  I think that some
                  people will A) pay for the carbon-negative burial of
                  the equivlaent of 1 tCO2; or B) pay to have biochar
                  into soil; or C) pay to accomplish both A and B; or D)
                  pay as a donation to a real biochar project in an
                  impoverished country; or E) pay for any other reason
                  (such as "they like Paul Anderson.")  <br class="">
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                  It takes about 250 kg (quarter ton) of dry un-treated
                  (raw) biochar to make 1 tonne CO2eq., and that amount
                  of char comes from 1 TLUD stove used daily in one
                  household during one year (based on India field data,
                  not just laboratory calculations).  I think that such
                  an amount that is PERMANENTLY SEQUESTERED should be
                  worth TWO carbon credits, but that will need to be
                  debated and resolved.  <br class="">
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                  I intend to place that amount of char on the market
                  for US$20, being the price for EITHER one Biochar
                  Credit or two Carbon Credits.  I think that is a fair
                  price.   What do you think?  Can the price be
                  higher?   <br class="">
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                  The East Darjeeling project will also be selling
                  single Carbon Credits for $10.<br class="">
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                  Will anyone purchase it (as 2 carbon credits and they
                  do not care about the char as long as it is made
                  unburnable) (or as one biochar credit) and donate it
                  to a serious biochar project in the local area?  <br
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                  THAT is a serious question.   And I ask it to everyone
                  who is reading this email.  $20 for biochar.  And
                  there will be tens of thousands of those "Biochar
                  Credits" every year.  <br class="">
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                  Remember, this is BOTH a Biochar Listserv topic
                  (obviously) AND a Stoves Listserv topic (as it relates
                  to how to finance the stoves that we want to
                  disseminate.)   To be discussed on the lists
                  separately.<br class="">
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                  I will be discussing this further, providing
                  information as fast as I can.  I will see your
                  responses, but I have work to do and will let others
                  lead the discussions / debates.     (Please be sure
                  that all discussants have read the Deganga TLUD
                  report.   Otherwise, the above statements and their
                  comments will not make sense.)  <br class="">
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                  Paul<br class="">
                  <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Doc  /  Dr TLUD  /  Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
Email:  <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>
Skype:   paultlud    Phone: +1-309-452-7072
Website:  <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.drtlud.com/">www.drtlud.com</a></pre>
                  <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/8/2017 11:08 PM,
                    Frank Shields wrote:<br class="">
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                    <div class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri;
                        font-size: 11pt;" class="">I searched for the
                        Deganga study and found it to be interesting.
                        One statement in the report i do not understand:</span></div>
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                      "3. The produced TLUD char cannot generate credits
                      if it is burned by the household or used as
                      biochar for soil amending.</span><font class=""
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                    <div class="">“cannot generate credits if it is
                      burned by the household” - thats makes sense.</div>
                    <div class="">“or used as biochar for soil
                      amending”? - that makes NO sense.</div>
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                    <div class="">Amazing number of hurtles that you
                      must have overcome to set the program in motion.</div>
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                        <div class="">Frank</div>
                        <div class="">Frank Shields</div>
                        <div class="">Gabilan Laboratory</div>
                        <div class="">Keith Day Company, Inc.</div>
                        <div class="">1091 Madison Lane</div>
                        <div class="">Salinas, CA  93907</div>
                        <div class="">(831) 246-0417 cell</div>
                        <div class="">(831) 771-0126 office</div>
                        <div class=""><a moz-do-not-send="true"
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