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Ron, A.D., and Frank, and Brian Lewis (and all) (combining
responses from both Biochar and Stoves Listservs.)<br>
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Ron, I am not quite ready to sell them yet. It will be via one of
my websites and to a regulated Not-For-Profit corporation. I need
another week or two. And the proceeds all go to TLUD stove
projects that are generating the credits. Does not go to general
TLUD stove projects that are outside of the closely monitored TLUD
carbon credit projects.<br>
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Frank, I am preparing explanations abour carbon credits, so my
reply is delayed. <br>
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A. D., Your question is about the role of charcoal in soils is the
subject of the Biochar Listserv (you replied from the Stoves
Listserv.). Please see the Biochar Listserv archives or subscribe
there.<br>
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Brian, Thanks for your comment supporting higher value (Carbon
credit price) for carbon credits that come from TLUD cookstoves. I
am starting with US$10 per carbon credit from regular emission
reductions such as reduced wood fuel usage, and asking for 2 CC for
the char equivalent. All to be explained within 2 weeks, before
the ETHOS conference.<br>
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Thanks for writing.<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
Email: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>
Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072
Website: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.drtlud.com">www.drtlud.com</a></pre>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/11/2017 10:34 PM, Ronal W. Larson
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for delayed response. Missed that you were looking for one. I
am pleased that you are doing this. I will sign up for some air
flight mitigation. Where do I go?</div>
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000" class=""> Hello??
Hello????? Anybody home?????<br class="">
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I sent the message below three days ago. It is about
financing of cookstoves and about carbon credit
recognition for charcoal in to soil (biochar). I
thought that this was an important topic. Maybe I did
not write clearly.<br class="">
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Thus far I have receive exactly ONE reply, and it was
off-list. Additional replies would be appreciated,
whether pro or con or neutral.<br class="">
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Paul<br class="">
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<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
Email: <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>
Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072
Website: <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.drtlud.com/">www.drtlud.com</a></pre>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/9/2017 12:50 AM, Paul
Anderson wrote:<br class="">
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Frank, Stovers, and Charists.<br class="">
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I am responding to Frank's question that is below.<br
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No carbon credits are given for biochar because that
is the way the current carbon credit system is
structured for that Deganga project (link is given
below). That is beyond the control of that project.<br
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HOWEVER, I am organizing a similar Champion TLUD stove
project in East Darjeeling District, West Bengal,
India (exactly on the border with Bhutan). That
project has new rules about its carbon credits. And I
am stating that the incorporation of biochar into
soils is eligible for carbon credits. I will be
presenting this at the ETHOS session Saturday evening
28 January. in the Seattle area.<br class="">
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Note: Carbon credits are essentially an intangible
commodity that can be linked to specific acts, such as
the irreversible, scattered burial of appropriate
carbon into soil. Will someone pay to have that
char-burial (making it unburnable) occur? THAT is
the same as paying for voluntary carbon credits. <br
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When (not if) that "unburnableness" of char is
possible in a reasonably documented manner, would
someone pay for that to happen? I think that some
people will A) pay for the carbon-negative burial of
the equivlaent of 1 tCO2; or B) pay to have biochar
into soil; or C) pay to accomplish both A and B; or D)
pay as a donation to a real biochar project in an
impoverished country; or E) pay for any other reason
(such as "they like Paul Anderson.") <br class="">
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It takes about 250 kg (quarter ton) of dry un-treated
(raw) biochar to make 1 tonne CO2eq., and that amount
of char comes from 1 TLUD stove used daily in one
household during one year (based on India field data,
not just laboratory calculations). I think that such
an amount that is PERMANENTLY SEQUESTERED should be
worth TWO carbon credits, but that will need to be
debated and resolved. <br class="">
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I intend to place that amount of char on the market
for US$20, being the price for EITHER one Biochar
Credit or two Carbon Credits. I think that is a fair
price. What do you think? Can the price be
higher? <br class="">
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The East Darjeeling project will also be selling
single Carbon Credits for $10.<br class="">
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Will anyone purchase it (as 2 carbon credits and they
do not care about the char as long as it is made
unburnable) (or as one biochar credit) and donate it
to a serious biochar project in the local area? <br
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THAT is a serious question. And I ask it to everyone
who is reading this email. $20 for biochar. And
there will be tens of thousands of those "Biochar
Credits" every year. <br class="">
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Remember, this is BOTH a Biochar Listserv topic
(obviously) AND a Stoves Listserv topic (as it relates
to how to finance the stoves that we want to
disseminate.) To be discussed on the lists
separately.<br class="">
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I will be discussing this further, providing
information as fast as I can. I will see your
responses, but I have work to do and will let others
lead the discussions / debates. (Please be sure
that all discussants have read the Deganga TLUD
report. Otherwise, the above statements and their
comments will not make sense.) <br class="">
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Paul<br class="">
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
Email: <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>
Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072
Website: <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.drtlud.com/">www.drtlud.com</a></pre>
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Frank Shields wrote:<br class="">
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<div class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri;
font-size: 11pt;" class="">I searched for the
Deganga study and found it to be interesting.
One statement in the report i do not understand:</span></div>
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"3. The produced TLUD char cannot generate credits
if it is burned by the household or used as
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<div class="">“cannot generate credits if it is
burned by the household” - thats makes sense.</div>
<div class="">“or used as biochar for soil
amending”? - that makes NO sense.</div>
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<div class="">Amazing number of hurtles that you
must have overcome to set the program in motion.</div>
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<div class="">Thanks</div>
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<div class="">Frank</div>
<div class="">Frank Shields</div>
<div class="">Gabilan Laboratory</div>
<div class="">Keith Day Company, Inc.</div>
<div class="">1091 Madison Lane</div>
<div class="">Salinas, CA 93907</div>
<div class="">(831) 246-0417 cell</div>
<div class="">(831) 771-0126 office</div>
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href="mailto:fShields@keithdaycompany.com"
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