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Nikhil and all,<br>
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I am starting with US$10 per claimed carbon credit. <br>
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This is outside of the activities of any established governing
bodies of carbon credits. I will be very clear about what is being
sold and where the money is going. And then I must depend on
acceptance by those who would support the activities. <br>
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People will be supportive because of clean stoves, carbon reduction,
less deforestation, biochar, or whatever reason or reasons they find
important. The work has started already with the stoves. This is
not like Kickstarter or crowd funding. <br>
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Your questions and ideas are not stupid or silly, they are just
things that I cannot answer at present. I am hoping that some
(several, or many??) people will step forward and assist.<br>
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Stay tuned,<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
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Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072
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<div>Paul: <br>
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Sorry for a delayed response. <br>
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My 20+ years old charge that the CDM process - in
turn based on IPCC Guidelines for GHG inventorying
- is based on "expert-selected species for
expert-selected computational methods from
expert-selected sources net of expert-selected
sinks" - is re-confirmed by your post. <br>
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I wish you all success in getting biochar
recognized in some "avoided kgCO2e" fashion. <br>
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I haven't looked at CDM rules in ten years, but
there may be some "sequestration" computations
available from the REDD projects. I don't know if
there are any yet under CDM. (This may answer
Frank's question -- two different mechanisms may
apply at the FCCC.) <br>
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You will also do a great service by doing what is
called "price discovery". <br>
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Here is perhaps a stupid question --- if you put 1
tCO2e in the ground per year as char, is that net
of all CO2e emitted from the stove? Or do your
stoves have to show a low fNRB in order to get any
avoided CO2e from combustion? What is the baseline
for both cooking emissions (today) and char
emissions (100 years, say)? What do you have to
prove for "permanent sequestration"? (Not that
anybody else has to prove permanent effect, only
that during project lifetime.) <br>
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I have no knowledge of the fate of char in soil. <br>
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A silly idea perhaps -- you can design bids for
your CDM and char/REDD certificates (assuming REDD
applies), and offer the first buyers discounted
price on future certificates. I did some auction
modeling for Montreal Protocol some twenty years
ago, but a better economist and scientist is
needed for REDD auctions!! (There has been some
literature on CER auction models, but my knowledge
is way too rusty.) <br>
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Start with a reservation price for CDM at $7/tCO2e
and char at $10/tCO2e. Is that enough revenue per
stove to cover the fob plant production cost? <br>
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Nikhil<br>
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> Frank, Stovers, and Charists.<br>
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I am responding to Frank's question that is below.<br>
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No carbon credits are given for biochar because that is
the way the current carbon credit system is structured
for that Deganga project (link is given below). That is
beyond the control of that project.<br>
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HOWEVER, I am organizing a similar Champion TLUD stove
project in East Darjeeling District, West Bengal, India
(exactly on the border with Bhutan). That project has
new rules about its carbon credits. And I am stating
that the incorporation of biochar into soils is eligible
for carbon credits. I will be presenting this at the
ETHOS session Saturday evening 28 January. in the
Seattle area.<br>
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Note: Carbon credits are essentially an intangible
commodity that can be linked to specific acts, such as
the irreversible, scattered burial of appropriate carbon
into soil. Will someone pay to have that char-burial
(making it unburnable) occur? THAT is the same as
paying for voluntary carbon credits. <br>
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When (not if) that "unburnableness" of char is possible
in a reasonably documented manner, would someone pay for
that to happen? I think that some people will A) pay
for the carbon-negative burial of the equivlaent of 1
tCO2; or B) pay to have biochar into soil; or C) pay to
accomplish both A and B; or D) pay as a donation to a
real biochar project in an impoverished country; or E)
pay for any other reason (such as "they like Paul
Anderson.") <br>
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It takes about 250 kg (quarter ton) of dry un-treated
(raw) biochar to make 1 tonne CO2eq., and that amount of
char comes from 1 TLUD stove used daily in one household
during one year (based on India field data, not just
laboratory calculations). I think that such an amount
that is PERMANENTLY SEQUESTERED should be worth TWO
carbon credits, but that will need to be debated and
resolved. <br>
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I intend to place that amount of char on the market for
US$20, being the price for EITHER one Biochar Credit or
two Carbon Credits. I think that is a fair price.
What do you think? Can the price be higher? <br>
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The East Darjeeling project will also be selling single
Carbon Credits for $10.<br>
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Will anyone purchase it (as 2 carbon credits and they do
not care about the char as long as it is made
unburnable) (or as one biochar credit) and donate it to
a serious biochar project in the local area? <br>
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THAT is a serious question. And I ask it to everyone
who is reading this email. $20 for biochar. And there
will be tens of thousands of those "Biochar Credits"
every year. <br>
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Remember, this is BOTH a Biochar Listserv topic
(obviously) AND a Stoves Listserv topic (as it relates
to how to finance the stoves that we want to
disseminate.) To be discussed on the lists separately.<br>
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I will be discussing this further, providing information
as fast as I can. I will see your responses, but I have
work to do and will let others lead the discussions /
debates. (Please be sure that all discussants have
read the Deganga TLUD report. Otherwise, the above
statements and their comments will not make sense.) <br>
<br>
Paul<br>
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<div><span style="font-family:calibri;font-size:11pt">I
searched for the Deganga study and found it to be
interesting. One statement in the report i do not
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<div>“cannot generate credits if it is burned by the
household” - thats makes sense.</div>
<div>“or used as biochar for soil amending”? - that
makes NO sense.</div>
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<div>Amazing number of hurtles that you must have
overcome to set the program in motion.</div>
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