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    Dear Ron and Crispin,   (your two messages are below).   Subject
    line changed to reflect the content.<br>
    <br>
    All is in reference to:
    <blockquote type="cite">an important stove reporting equation of the
      form e3 = e1 / (1- e2).  </blockquote>
    <br>
    I am not great at such equations.   But it seems to me that the
    letter  e    is used both as   efficiency   and as    energy.    
    Whatever.  That is not my key point.   Rather,<br>
    <br>
    Both sides have their appropriate strong points.    <br>
    1.  Biomass fuel is consumed, and any remaining charcoal is NOT the
    same as the original fuel.  So, 100% of the original fuel is gone. 
    --Crispin is correct about FUEL efficiency.<br>
    <br>
    2.  The charcoal is different from the biomass fuel, but it is still
    a viable, usable form of energy that came directly from the original
    biomass.  So there needs to be some recognition of its ENERGY value.
      (If the char has other, non-energy value (such as being good for
    filters), and may or may not be eventually consumed as energy, that
    is NOT part of this discussion.)<br>
    <br>
    3.  On an ENERGY basis (not fuel basis), only the actual released
    energy in the biomass (after subtracting the energy that is still in
    the charcoal) should be used to calculate the heat transfer
    efficiency of the stove.   So the formula (and Ron's second table)
    can be considered correct, but it should be perhaps emphasized that
    the column heading should be:     EE-stove   (ENERGY Efficiency of
    stove)    and is not     FE-stove  (Fuel efficiency of stove).  <br>
    <br>
    ************<br>
    I want to pick up on what Crispin wrote:
    <blockquote type="cite"><i> Char produced as a co-benefit goes in
        the top line, not deducted from the bottom.</i></blockquote>
    That realization might have great merit.   Can the math-competent
    people please do that, and we can see the result.    <br>
    <br>
    Basically it says that ALL of the fuel (in the denominator) is used,
    but there are two products in the nominator.     I do not know how
    to add "Energy captured in the pot" AND "charcoal created (as weight
    or volume)".  Maybe convert the charcoal into units of energy.  And
    then add them.   And that sum is divided by the energy of the fuel
    that is consumed and is no longer in its original biomass form.<br>
    <br>
    Does this work?   Ron,  please put another column or two into your
    second table and send us the results.  <br>
    <br>
    Another way to look at "efficiency" of fuel and of energy is to
    convert everything into monetary amounts.<br>
    <br>
    $ value of having heated the pot       PLUS      $ value of the
    created char    / divided by     $ value of the biomass fuel.<br>
    <br>
    For use in this monetary equation, there can be multiple different
    values for each of the 3 variables.   <br>
    <br>
    Extreme values are possible, such as "if the pot does not get hot,
    the food is not cooked, and the baby dies" (a very high value for
    the heat to the pot.)      Also, biomass fuel that is actually
    expensive wooden furniture would command a high dollar value.   <br>
    <br>
    On the low side, some biomass fuel could be invasive species that
    must be burned, so burning has no cost, and the act of doing the
    burning could receive payment.  <br>
    <br>
    But just sticking to common, defendable values, we can find ways to
    COMPARE the economic value of using one stove type (that makes char,
    for example) with another type that does not.    <br>
    <br>
    This will become increasingly important if and when the world
    recognizes special values of charcoal, as in water filters or fo
    carbon sequestration (without being biochar into soils) or as
    biochar with increased food production (with sequestration as an
    added benefit.).    <br>
    <br>
    Stove stuff.   I find it interesting.<br>
    <br>
    Paul<br>
    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Doc  /  Dr TLUD  /  Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
Email:  <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>
Skype:   paultlud    Phone: +1-309-452-7072
Website:  <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.drtlud.com">www.drtlud.com</a></pre>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/12/2017 4:52 PM, Crispin
      Pemberton-Pigott wrote:<br>
    </div>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Dear
            Ron<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">The
            problems I have with the equation applied in the WBT are:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <ol style="margin-top:0cm" start="1" type="1">
          <li class="MsoListParagraph"
            style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">The
              resulting number is not what it claims to be (the thermal
              efficiency). It is also not the energy efficiency, nor the
              heat transfer efficiency, nor the % of energy available
              from ‘missing fuel’ that was transferred to the pot.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
          <li class="MsoListParagraph"
            style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">It
              does not report a number that can be used to compare the
              fuel efficiency of two or more stoves, its primary
              function and specific claim, as applied in UN contracts,
              the GACC contracts, as well as the CDM and Gold Standard
              methodologies. Relative fuel consumption in those projects
              are
              <i>all</i> calculated incorrectly.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
          <li class="MsoListParagraph"
            style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Producing
              char (or not) is not a cooking task and does not enter its
              efficiency rating. Anything that interferes with the
              energy in the denominator misleads the reader as to the
              product’s cooking performance.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
          <li class="MsoListParagraph"
            style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">The
              energy content of recovered char is not the same number as
              the energy ‘not used for cooking’. It is a portion of the
              ‘not used’ number. In short, if the stove made a lot of
              small ‘unrecoverable bits of char’ the energy in the
              <i>recoverable</i> char is significantly less than the
              energy in the residual solids. Subtracting the energy ‘not
              released by burning’ from the total energy available in
              the fuel fed in, would give a close approximation of the
              heat transfer efficiency (the error being partially
              combusted gases). But that is not what is happens with the
              WBT formula. Only a portion of the energy in the solid
              residue is subtracted – the ‘recoverable portion’. Well,
              who says what is recoverable and what is not? Opinions
              differ. And, after making this subtraction, what is the
              proper description of the result of the calculation? It
              describes no standard reporting metric of thermal
              performance. It is just a number. It is not even a
              <i>useful</i> number. <o:p></o:p></span></li>
          <li class="MsoListParagraph"
            style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Users
              of the WBT have, for years, been led to believe that it
              represents the fuel consumption and that comparing the two
              ‘WBT efficiency’ numbers from two stoves will show the
              comparative fuel savings by using the formula<o:p></o:p></span></li>
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        <p class="MsoListParagraph"
          style="margin-left:108.0pt;text-indent:36.0pt"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">(1-(Stove
            1/Stove2))*100%<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoListParagraph"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">The
            answer is the fuel saved in % (or increase). The answer is
            only correct if the energy in remnant char. Recoverable or
            not, is
            <i>not </i>subtracted from the denominator.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoListParagraph"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoListParagraph"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Using
            the WBT ‘thermal efficiency’ numbers, it gives the wrong
            answer. The fuel use is under-reported.  The reason it gives
            the wrong answer is because it makes the calculation
            incorrectly. Mathematically, the method employed treats the
            recoverable portion of the remnant char as if it is unburned
            raw fuel.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoListParagraph"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoListParagraph"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">The
            End<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoListParagraph"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">It
            is junk science and always was. It is an error introduced in
            1985 by VITA against the objections of Feu do Bois and
            Eindhoven University. Upon review in 1991 (Rani et al) it
            was rejected as a calculation by the government of India.
            Good for them.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoListParagraph"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I
            do not care how much people have invested in this WBT test.
            It lies. It is fatally flawed. It doesn’t give an answer
            people can believe. It has no place at the table. It has to
            go. It is cheating people out of their investments in stove
            programmes.  Everything based on it is fundamentally flawed
            – all decisions, all ratings, all money spent and wasted –
            and Lord knows there has been enough of that.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoListParagraph"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Ron:
            If you want to report something about the char, use
            conventional methods and metrics, don’t piggy-back on junk
            science from Berkeley. So they made a mistake. Fine. Get
            over it.  Extending the deception will not help anyone. At
            this very moment it is deceiving the UN which is purchasing
            10,000 stoves for refugees that will not live up to their
            performance ratings – because,
            <i>and only because</i>, they were tested using the WBT
            4.2.3 and its defective spreadsheet v4.2.4 (Don’t ask me why
            the numbers don’t match – it doesn’t matter.)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Char
            production is a function of the mass in and mass produced,
            expressed as a %. It also has an energy content. Fine.
            Report it. The downstream uses of char from char-making
            stoves do not affect in any way the cooking efficiency which
            is a measure of the fuel needed to conduct a cooking
            session.
            <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">It
            is pointless to try to convince us who are working in the
            field and spending other people’s money to report that a
            stove using 1.3 kg per of dry fuel cooking cycle uses 650 g
            ‘because it makes char’. I do not care what type of fuel is
            going in – if it takes 1.3 kg per time, then the fuel
            consumption will be reported to be 1.3 kg, efficiency
            <i>x</i>. If it produces 400 g of char doing so, and you
            want to report it, the report can say: dry fuel consumption
            is 1.3 kg per replication; char produced 400 g per 1.3 kg of
            fuel (31%); cooking efficiency
            <i>x</i>. There is no free lunch.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">There
            is nothing wrong with reporting the fuel consumption of a
            stove. There is nothing wrong with reporting the mass or
            energy of char produced. There is a lot wrong with
            subtracting any number from the mass of fuel in the
            denominator representing the fuel needed to perform the
            cooking task. That is called ‘cheating’.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I
            have already reported on this list a method for calculating
            the performance of a pair of stoves like that produced by Dr
            Nurhuda wherein the second uses the char produced by the
            first as its input fuel. Any such evaluation can produce the
            correct answer for the system efficiency of the pair
            <u>only</u> by correctly calculation the performance of the
            first stove, which means avoiding the WBT thermal efficiency
            formula. This is a matter of science, not opinion.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Crispin<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <div>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
                  style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
                  lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
                style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
                lang="EN-US"> Ronal W. Larson
                [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:rongretlarson@comcast.net">mailto:rongretlarson@comcast.net</a>]
                <br>
                <b>Sent:</b> 12-Jan-17 17:08<br>
                <b>To:</b> Discussion of biomass
                <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org"><stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org></a>; Crispin
                Pemberton-Pigott <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:crispinpigott@outlook.com"><crispinpigott@outlook.com></a><br>
                <b>Cc:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:miata98@gmail.com">miata98@gmail.com</a><br>
                <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Stoves] ABCEG deceit and conceit
                (Re: Crispin, Andrew) ON THE SIDE<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          </div>
        </div>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <div>
          <p class="MsoNormal">List,  <o:p></o:p></p>
        </div>
        <div>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        </div>
        <div>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span class="apple-tab-span">           
            </span>This exchange below has reminded me that Crispin and
            I have not closed the loop on an important stove reporting
            equation of the form e3 = e1 / (1- e2).  About half way down
            in this message, Crispins says about this equation:<o:p></o:p></p>
        </div>
        <div>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        </div>
        <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
          <div>
            <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
              <div>
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                  <div>
                    <div>
                      <blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid
                        #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><i>The error in the WBT
                              is to deduct something from the
                              denominator. This was never correct. The
                              fuel fed is the fuel fed, not something
                              less. Char produced as a co-benefit goes
                              in the top line, not deducted from the
                              bottom.</i><o:p></o:p></p>
                        </div>
                      </blockquote>
                    </div>
                  </div>
                </div>
              </div>
            </blockquote>
          </div>
        </blockquote>
        <div>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span class="apple-tab-span">           
            </span>This is to disagree with Crispin’s “never” - and to
            defend the WBT equation.  <o:p></o:p></p>
        </div>
        <div>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p><o:p></o:p></p>
        </div>
        <div>
        </div>
        <div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">   </span> I
          will start by suggesting we look at a set of data saying that
          stove measurements on five successive days gave these results:</div>
        <div class=""><br class="">
        </div>
        <div class="">
          <table style="border-collapse: collapse" class=""
            cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">
            <tbody class="">
              <tr class="">
                <td style="width: 89.0px; height: 12.0px;
                  background-color: #bec0bf; border-style: solid;
                  border-width: 1.0px 1.0px 2.0px 1.0px; border-color:
                  #000000 #000000 #000000 #000000; padding: 4.0px 4.0px
                  4.0px 4.0px" class="" valign="top">
                  <div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 12px; line-height:
                    normal; min-height: 14px;" class=""><br class="">
                  </div>
                </td>
                <td style="width: 89.0px; height: 12.0px;
                  background-color: #bec0bf; border-style: solid;
                  border-width: 1.0px 1.0px 2.0px 1.0px; border-color:
                  #000000 #000000 #000000 #000000; padding: 4.0px 4.0px
                  4.0px 4.0px" class="" valign="top">
                  <div style="margin: 0px; text-align: center;" class=""><font
                      style="font-size: 10px; line-height: normal;
                      -webkit-font-kerning: none;
                      font-variant-ligatures: common-ligatures;
                      -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""
                      face="Helvetica" color="#000000"><b class="">E1=thermal(%)</b></font></div>
                </td>
                <td style="width: 89.0px; height: 12.0px;
                  background-color: #bec0bf; border-style: solid;
                  border-width: 1.0px 1.0px 2.0px 1.0px; border-color:
                  #000000 #000000 #000000 #000000; padding: 4.0px 4.0px
                  4.0px 4.0px" class="" valign="top">
                  <div style="margin: 0px; text-align: center;" class=""><font
                      style="font-size: 10px; line-height: normal;
                      -webkit-font-kerning: none;
                      font-variant-ligatures: common-ligatures;
                      -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""
                      face="Helvetica" color="#000000"><b class="">E2=char(
                        %)</b></font></div>
                </td>
              </tr>
              <tr class="">
                <td style="width: 88.0px; height: 11.0px;
                  background-color: #dcdcdc; border-style: solid;
                  border-width: 2.0px 1.0px 1.0px 2.0px; border-color:
                  #000000 #000000 #000000 #000000; padding: 4.0px 4.0px
                  4.0px 4.0px" class="" valign="top">
                  <div style="margin: 0px; text-align: center;" class=""><font
                      style="font-size: 10px; line-height: normal;
                      -webkit-font-kerning: none;
                      font-variant-ligatures: common-ligatures;
                      -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""
                      face="Helvetica" color="#000000"><b class="">Monday</b></font></div>
                </td>
                <td style="width: 89.0px; height: 11.0px; border-style:
                  solid; border-width: 2.0px 1.0px 1.0px 1.0px;
                  border-color: #000000 #000000 #000000 #000000;
                  padding: 4.0px 4.0px 4.0px 4.0px" class=""
                  valign="top">
                  <div style="margin: 0px; text-align: center;" class=""><font
                      style="font-size: 10px; line-height: normal;
                      -webkit-font-kerning: none;
                      font-variant-ligatures: common-ligatures;
                      -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""
                      face="Helvetica" color="#000000">30</font></div>
                </td>
                <td style="width: 89.0px; height: 11.0px; border-style:
                  solid; border-width: 2.0px 1.0px 1.0px 1.0px;
                  border-color: #000000 #000000 #000000 #000000;
                  padding: 4.0px 4.0px 4.0px 4.0px" class=""
                  valign="top">
                  <div style="margin: 0px; text-align: center;" class=""><font
                      style="font-size: 10px; line-height: normal;
                      -webkit-font-kerning: none;
                      font-variant-ligatures: common-ligatures;
                      -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""
                      face="Helvetica" color="#000000">20</font></div>
                </td>
              </tr>
              <tr class="">
                <td style="width: 88.0px; height: 12.0px;
                  background-color: #dcdcdc; border-style: solid;
                  border-width: 1.0px 1.0px 1.0px 2.0px; border-color:
                  #000000 #000000 #000000 #000000; padding: 4.0px 4.0px
                  4.0px 4.0px" class="" valign="top">
                  <div style="margin: 0px; text-align: center;" class=""><font
                      style="font-size: 10px; line-height: normal;
                      -webkit-font-kerning: none;
                      font-variant-ligatures: common-ligatures;
                      -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""
                      face="Helvetica" color="#000000"><b class="">Tuesday</b></font></div>
                </td>
                <td style="width: 89.0px; height: 12.0px; border-style:
                  solid; border-width: 1.0px 1.0px 1.0px 1.0px;
                  border-color: #000000 #000000 #000000 #000000;
                  padding: 4.0px 4.0px 4.0px 4.0px" class=""
                  valign="top">
                  <div style="margin: 0px; text-align: center;" class=""><font
                      style="font-size: 10px; line-height: normal;
                      -webkit-font-kerning: none;
                      font-variant-ligatures: common-ligatures;
                      -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""
                      face="Helvetica" color="#000000">28</font></div>
                </td>
                <td style="width: 89.0px; height: 12.0px; border-style:
                  solid; border-width: 1.0px 1.0px 1.0px 1.0px;
                  border-color: #000000 #000000 #000000 #000000;
                  padding: 4.0px 4.0px 4.0px 4.0px" class=""
                  valign="top">
                  <div style="margin: 0px; text-align: center;" class=""><font
                      style="font-size: 10px; line-height: normal;
                      -webkit-font-kerning: none;
                      font-variant-ligatures: common-ligatures;
                      -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""
                      face="Helvetica" color="#000000">23</font></div>
                </td>
              </tr>
              <tr class="">
                <td style="width: 88.0px; height: 11.0px;
                  background-color: #dcdcdc; border-style: solid;
                  border-width: 1.0px 1.0px 1.0px 2.0px; border-color:
                  #000000 #000000 #000000 #000000; padding: 4.0px 4.0px
                  4.0px 4.0px" class="" valign="top">
                  <div style="margin: 0px; text-align: center;" class=""><font
                      style="font-size: 10px; line-height: normal;
                      -webkit-font-kerning: none;
                      font-variant-ligatures: common-ligatures;
                      -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""
                      face="Helvetica" color="#000000"><b class="">Wednesday</b></font></div>
                </td>
                <td style="width: 89.0px; height: 11.0px; border-style:
                  solid; border-width: 1.0px 1.0px 1.0px 1.0px;
                  border-color: #000000 #000000 #000000 #000000;
                  padding: 4.0px 4.0px 4.0px 4.0px" class=""
                  valign="top">
                  <div style="margin: 0px; text-align: center;" class=""><font
                      style="font-size: 10px; line-height: normal;
                      -webkit-font-kerning: none;
                      font-variant-ligatures: common-ligatures;
                      -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""
                      face="Helvetica" color="#000000">32</font></div>
                </td>
                <td style="width: 89.0px; height: 11.0px; border-style:
                  solid; border-width: 1.0px 1.0px 1.0px 1.0px;
                  border-color: #000000 #000000 #000000 #000000;
                  padding: 4.0px 4.0px 4.0px 4.0px" class=""
                  valign="top">
                  <div style="margin: 0px; text-align: center;" class=""><font
                      style="font-size: 10px; line-height: normal;
                      -webkit-font-kerning: none;
                      font-variant-ligatures: common-ligatures;
                      -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""
                      face="Helvetica" color="#000000">17</font></div>
                </td>
              </tr>
              <tr class="">
                <td style="width: 88.0px; height: 11.0px;
                  background-color: #dcdcdc; border-style: solid;
                  border-width: 1.0px 1.0px 1.0px 2.0px; border-color:
                  #000000 #000000 #000000 #000000; padding: 4.0px 4.0px
                  4.0px 4.0px" class="" valign="top">
                  <div style="margin: 0px; text-align: center;" class=""><font
                      style="font-size: 10px; line-height: normal;
                      -webkit-font-kerning: none;
                      font-variant-ligatures: common-ligatures;
                      -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""
                      face="Helvetica" color="#000000"><b class="">Thursday</b></font></div>
                </td>
                <td style="width: 89.0px; height: 11.0px; border-style:
                  solid; border-width: 1.0px 1.0px 1.0px 1.0px;
                  border-color: #000000 #000000 #000000 #000000;
                  padding: 4.0px 4.0px 4.0px 4.0px" class=""
                  valign="top">
                  <div style="margin: 0px; text-align: center;" class=""><font
                      style="font-size: 10px; line-height: normal;
                      -webkit-font-kerning: none;
                      font-variant-ligatures: common-ligatures;
                      -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""
                      face="Helvetica" color="#000000">29</font></div>
                </td>
                <td style="width: 89.0px; height: 11.0px; border-style:
                  solid; border-width: 1.0px 1.0px 1.0px 1.0px;
                  border-color: #000000 #000000 #000000 #000000;
                  padding: 4.0px 4.0px 4.0px 4.0px" class=""
                  valign="top">
                  <div style="margin: 0px; text-align: center;" class=""><font
                      style="font-size: 10px; line-height: normal;
                      -webkit-font-kerning: none;
                      font-variant-ligatures: common-ligatures;
                      -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""
                      face="Helvetica" color="#000000">21</font></div>
                </td>
              </tr>
              <tr class="">
                <td style="width: 88.0px; height: 12.0px;
                  background-color: #dcdcdc; border-style: solid;
                  border-width: 1.0px 1.0px 2.0px 2.0px; border-color:
                  #000000 #000000 #000000 #000000; padding: 4.0px 4.0px
                  4.0px 4.0px" class="" valign="top">
                  <div style="margin: 0px; text-align: center;" class=""><font
                      style="font-size: 10px; line-height: normal;
                      -webkit-font-kerning: none;
                      font-variant-ligatures: common-ligatures;
                      -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""
                      face="Helvetica" color="#000000"><b class="">Friday</b></font></div>
                </td>
                <td style="width: 89.0px; height: 12.0px; border-style:
                  solid; border-width: 1.0px 1.0px 2.0px 1.0px;
                  border-color: #000000 #000000 #000000 #000000;
                  padding: 4.0px 4.0px 4.0px 4.0px" class=""
                  valign="top">
                  <div style="margin: 0px; text-align: center;" class=""><font
                      style="font-size: 10px; line-height: normal;
                      -webkit-font-kerning: none;
                      font-variant-ligatures: common-ligatures;
                      -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""
                      face="Helvetica" color="#000000">31</font></div>
                </td>
                <td style="width: 89.0px; height: 12.0px; border-style:
                  solid; border-width: 1.0px 1.0px 2.0px 1.0px;
                  border-color: #000000 #000000 #000000 #000000;
                  padding: 4.0px 4.0px 4.0px 4.0px" class=""
                  valign="top">
                  <div style="margin: 0px; text-align: center;" class=""><font
                      style="font-size: 10px; line-height: normal;
                      -webkit-font-kerning: none;
                      font-variant-ligatures: common-ligatures;
                      -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""
                      face="Helvetica" color="#000000">18</font></div>
                </td>
              </tr>
              <tr class="">
                <td style="width: 88.0px; height: 12.0px;
                  background-color: #dcdcdc; border-style: solid;
                  border-width: 2.0px 1.0px 2.0px 2.0px; border-color:
                  #000000 #000000 #000000 #000000; padding: 4.0px 4.0px
                  4.0px 4.0px" class="" valign="top">
                  <div style="margin: 0px; text-align: center;" class=""><font
                      style="font-size: 10px; line-height: normal;
                      -webkit-font-kerning: none;
                      font-variant-ligatures: common-ligatures;
                      -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""
                      face="Helvetica" color="#000000"><b class="">Ave’s</b></font></div>
                </td>
                <td style="width: 89.0px; height: 12.0px; border-style:
                  solid; border-width: 2.0px 1.0px 2.0px 1.0px;
                  border-color: #000000 #000000 #000000 #000000;
                  padding: 4.0px 4.0px 4.0px 4.0px" class=""
                  valign="top">
                  <div style="margin: 0px; text-align: center;" class=""><font
                      style="font-size: 10px; line-height: normal;
                      -webkit-font-kerning: none;
                      font-variant-ligatures: common-ligatures;
                      -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""
                      face="Helvetica" color="#000000">30</font></div>
                </td>
                <td style="width: 89.0px; height: 12.0px; border-style:
                  solid; border-width: 2.0px 1.0px 2.0px 1.0px;
                  border-color: #000000 #000000 #000000 #000000;
                  padding: 4.0px 4.0px 4.0px 4.0px" class=""
                  valign="top">
                  <div style="margin: 0px; text-align: center;" class=""><font
                      style="font-size: 10px; line-height: normal;
                      -webkit-font-kerning: none;
                      font-variant-ligatures: common-ligatures;
                      -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""
                      face="Helvetica" color="#000000">19.8</font></div>
                </td>
              </tr>
              <tr class="">
                <td style="width: 89.0px; height: 12.0px;
                  background-color: #dcdcdc; border-style: solid;
                  border-width: 2.0px 1.0px 1.0px 1.0px; border-color:
                  #000000 #000000 #000000 #000000; padding: 4.0px 4.0px
                  4.0px 4.0px" class="" valign="top">
                  <div style="margin: 0px;" class=""><font
                      style="font-size: 10px; line-height: normal;
                      -webkit-font-kerning: none;
                      font-variant-ligatures: common-ligatures;
                      -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""
                      face="Helvetica" color="#000000"><b class="">Max
                        difference</b></font></div>
                </td>
                <td style="width: 89.0px; height: 12.0px; border-style:
                  solid; border-width: 2.0px 1.0px 1.0px 1.0px;
                  border-color: #000000 #000000 #000000 #000000;
                  padding: 4.0px 4.0px 4.0px 4.0px" class=""
                  valign="top">
                  <div style="margin: 0px;" class=""><font
                      style="font-size: 10px; line-height: normal;
                      -webkit-font-kerning: none;
                      font-variant-ligatures: common-ligatures;
                      -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""
                      face="Helvetica" color="#000000">4/28  (14%)</font></div>
                </td>
                <td style="width: 89.0px; height: 12.0px; border-style:
                  solid; border-width: 2.0px 1.0px 1.0px 1.0px;
                  border-color: #000000 #000000 #000000 #000000;
                  padding: 4.0px 4.0px 4.0px 4.0px" class=""
                  valign="top">
                  <div style="margin: 0px;" class=""><font
                      style="font-size: 10px; line-height: normal;
                      -webkit-font-kerning: none;
                      font-variant-ligatures: common-ligatures;
                      -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""
                      face="Helvetica" color="#000000">6/17  (35%)</font></div>
                </td>
              </tr>
            </tbody>
          </table>
          <br class="">
          <div class=""> No-one following this topic would be surprised
            if I posited that Crispin would prefer the Wednesday stove
            which has 14% more water boiling than the lowest, while I
            should prefer Tuesday with 35% more char than his Wednesday
            choice.</div>
        </div>
        <div class=""><br class="">
        </div>
        <div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">   </span>So
          what does the equation in dispute say about this matter?  This
          additional column says that our two choices differ by only
          2.2% (and my Tuesday choice is the “loser”)</div>
        <div class=""><br class="">
        </div>
        <div class="">
          <table style="border-collapse: collapse" class=""
            cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">
            <tbody class="">
              <tr class="">
                <td style="width: 89.0px; height: 12.0px;
                  background-color: #bec0bf; border-style: solid;
                  border-width: 1.0px 1.0px 2.0px 1.0px; border-color:
                  #000000 #000000 #000000 #000000; padding: 4.0px 4.0px
                  4.0px 4.0px" class="" valign="top">
                  <div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 12px; line-height:
                    normal; min-height: 14px;" class=""><br class="">
                  </div>
                </td>
                <td style="width: 89.0px; height: 12.0px;
                  background-color: #bec0bf; border-style: solid;
                  border-width: 1.0px 1.0px 2.0px 1.0px; border-color:
                  #000000 #000000 #000000 #000000; padding: 4.0px 4.0px
                  4.0px 4.0px" class="" valign="top">
                  <div style="margin: 0px; text-align: center;" class=""><font
                      style="font-size: 10px; line-height: normal;
                      -webkit-font-kerning: none;
                      font-variant-ligatures: common-ligatures;
                      -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""
                      face="Helvetica" color="#000000"><b class="">E1=thermal(%)</b></font></div>
                </td>
                <td style="width: 89.0px; height: 12.0px;
                  background-color: #bec0bf; border-style: solid;
                  border-width: 1.0px 1.0px 2.0px 1.0px; border-color:
                  #000000 #000000 #000000 #000000; padding: 4.0px 4.0px
                  4.0px 4.0px" class="" valign="top">
                  <div style="margin: 0px; text-align: center;" class=""><font
                      style="font-size: 10px; line-height: normal;
                      -webkit-font-kerning: none;
                      font-variant-ligatures: common-ligatures;
                      -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""
                      face="Helvetica" color="#000000"><b class="">E2=char(
                        %)</b></font></div>
                </td>
                <td style="width: 89.0px; height: 12.0px;
                  background-color: #bec0bf; border-style: solid;
                  border-width: 1.0px 1.0px 2.0px 1.0px; border-color:
                  #000000 #000000 #000000 #000000; padding: 4.0px 4.0px
                  4.0px 4.0px" class="" valign="top">
                  <div style="margin: 0px; text-align: center;" class=""><font
                      style="font-size: 10px; line-height: normal;
                      -webkit-font-kerning: none;
                      font-variant-ligatures: common-ligatures;
                      -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""
                      face="Helvetica" color="#000000"><b class="">Estove=E1/(1-E2)</b></font></div>
                </td>
              </tr>
              <tr class="">
                <td style="width: 88.0px; height: 11.0px;
                  background-color: #dcdcdc; border-style: solid;
                  border-width: 2.0px 1.0px 1.0px 2.0px; border-color:
                  #000000 #000000 #000000 #000000; padding: 4.0px 4.0px
                  4.0px 4.0px" class="" valign="top">
                  <div style="margin: 0px; text-align: center;" class=""><font
                      style="font-size: 10px; line-height: normal;
                      -webkit-font-kerning: none;
                      font-variant-ligatures: common-ligatures;
                      -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""
                      face="Helvetica" color="#000000"><b class="">Monday</b></font></div>
                </td>
                <td style="width: 89.0px; height: 11.0px; border-style:
                  solid; border-width: 2.0px 1.0px 1.0px 1.0px;
                  border-color: #000000 #000000 #000000 #000000;
                  padding: 4.0px 4.0px 4.0px 4.0px" class=""
                  valign="top">
                  <div style="margin: 0px; text-align: center;" class=""><font
                      style="font-size: 10px; line-height: normal;
                      -webkit-font-kerning: none;
                      font-variant-ligatures: common-ligatures;
                      -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""
                      face="Helvetica" color="#000000">30</font></div>
                </td>
                <td style="width: 89.0px; height: 11.0px; border-style:
                  solid; border-width: 2.0px 1.0px 1.0px 1.0px;
                  border-color: #000000 #000000 #000000 #000000;
                  padding: 4.0px 4.0px 4.0px 4.0px" class=""
                  valign="top">
                  <div style="margin: 0px; text-align: center;" class=""><font
                      style="font-size: 10px; line-height: normal;
                      -webkit-font-kerning: none;
                      font-variant-ligatures: common-ligatures;
                      -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""
                      face="Helvetica" color="#000000">20</font></div>
                </td>
                <td style="width: 89.0px; height: 11.0px; border-style:
                  solid; border-width: 2.0px 2.0px 1.0px 1.0px;
                  border-color: #000000 #000000 #000000 #000000;
                  padding: 4.0px 4.0px 4.0px 4.0px" class=""
                  valign="top">
                  <div style="margin: 0px; text-align: center;" class=""><font
                      style="font-size: 10px; line-height: normal;
                      -webkit-font-kerning: none;
                      font-variant-ligatures: common-ligatures;
                      -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""
                      face="Helvetica" color="#000000">37.5</font></div>
                </td>
              </tr>
              <tr class="">
                <td style="width: 88.0px; height: 12.0px;
                  background-color: #dcdcdc; border-style: solid;
                  border-width: 1.0px 1.0px 1.0px 2.0px; border-color:
                  #000000 #000000 #000000 #000000; padding: 4.0px 4.0px
                  4.0px 4.0px" class="" valign="top">
                  <div style="margin: 0px; text-align: center;" class=""><font
                      style="font-size: 10px; line-height: normal;
                      -webkit-font-kerning: none;
                      font-variant-ligatures: common-ligatures;
                      -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""
                      face="Helvetica" color="#000000"><b class="">Tuesday</b></font></div>
                </td>
                <td style="width: 89.0px; height: 12.0px; border-style:
                  solid; border-width: 1.0px 1.0px 1.0px 1.0px;
                  border-color: #000000 #000000 #000000 #000000;
                  padding: 4.0px 4.0px 4.0px 4.0px" class=""
                  valign="top">
                  <div style="margin: 0px; text-align: center;" class=""><font
                      style="font-size: 10px; line-height: normal;
                      -webkit-font-kerning: none;
                      font-variant-ligatures: common-ligatures;
                      -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""
                      face="Helvetica" color="#000000">28</font></div>
                </td>
                <td style="width: 89.0px; height: 12.0px; border-style:
                  solid; border-width: 1.0px 1.0px 1.0px 1.0px;
                  border-color: #000000 #000000 #000000 #000000;
                  padding: 4.0px 4.0px 4.0px 4.0px" class=""
                  valign="top">
                  <div style="margin: 0px; text-align: center;" class=""><font
                      style="font-size: 10px; line-height: normal;
                      -webkit-font-kerning: none;
                      font-variant-ligatures: common-ligatures;
                      -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""
                      face="Helvetica" color="#000000">23</font></div>
                </td>
                <td style="width: 89.0px; height: 12.0px; border-style:
                  solid; border-width: 1.0px 2.0px 1.0px 1.0px;
                  border-color: #000000 #000000 #000000 #000000;
                  padding: 4.0px 4.0px 4.0px 4.0px" class=""
                  valign="top">
                  <div style="margin: 0px; text-align: center;" class=""><font
                      style="font-size: 10px; line-height: normal;
                      -webkit-font-kerning: none;
                      font-variant-ligatures: common-ligatures;
                      -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""
                      face="Helvetica" color="#000000">36.4</font></div>
                </td>
              </tr>
              <tr class="">
                <td style="width: 88.0px; height: 11.0px;
                  background-color: #dcdcdc; border-style: solid;
                  border-width: 1.0px 1.0px 1.0px 2.0px; border-color:
                  #000000 #000000 #000000 #000000; padding: 4.0px 4.0px
                  4.0px 4.0px" class="" valign="top">
                  <div style="margin: 0px; text-align: center;" class=""><font
                      style="font-size: 10px; line-height: normal;
                      -webkit-font-kerning: none;
                      font-variant-ligatures: common-ligatures;
                      -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""
                      face="Helvetica" color="#000000"><b class="">Wednesday</b></font></div>
                </td>
                <td style="width: 89.0px; height: 11.0px; border-style:
                  solid; border-width: 1.0px 1.0px 1.0px 1.0px;
                  border-color: #000000 #000000 #000000 #000000;
                  padding: 4.0px 4.0px 4.0px 4.0px" class=""
                  valign="top">
                  <div style="margin: 0px; text-align: center;" class=""><font
                      style="font-size: 10px; line-height: normal;
                      -webkit-font-kerning: none;
                      font-variant-ligatures: common-ligatures;
                      -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""
                      face="Helvetica" color="#000000">32</font></div>
                </td>
                <td style="width: 89.0px; height: 11.0px; border-style:
                  solid; border-width: 1.0px 1.0px 1.0px 1.0px;
                  border-color: #000000 #000000 #000000 #000000;
                  padding: 4.0px 4.0px 4.0px 4.0px" class=""
                  valign="top">
                  <div style="margin: 0px; text-align: center;" class=""><font
                      style="font-size: 10px; line-height: normal;
                      -webkit-font-kerning: none;
                      font-variant-ligatures: common-ligatures;
                      -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""
                      face="Helvetica" color="#000000">17</font></div>
                </td>
                <td style="width: 89.0px; height: 11.0px; border-style:
                  solid; border-width: 1.0px 2.0px 1.0px 1.0px;
                  border-color: #000000 #000000 #000000 #000000;
                  padding: 4.0px 4.0px 4.0px 4.0px" class=""
                  valign="top">
                  <div style="margin: 0px; text-align: center;" class=""><font
                      style="font-size: 10px; line-height: normal;
                      -webkit-font-kerning: none;
                      font-variant-ligatures: common-ligatures;
                      -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""
                      face="Helvetica" color="#000000">38.6</font></div>
                </td>
              </tr>
              <tr class="">
                <td style="width: 88.0px; height: 11.0px;
                  background-color: #dcdcdc; border-style: solid;
                  border-width: 1.0px 1.0px 1.0px 2.0px; border-color:
                  #000000 #000000 #000000 #000000; padding: 4.0px 4.0px
                  4.0px 4.0px" class="" valign="top">
                  <div style="margin: 0px; text-align: center;" class=""><font
                      style="font-size: 10px; line-height: normal;
                      -webkit-font-kerning: none;
                      font-variant-ligatures: common-ligatures;
                      -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""
                      face="Helvetica" color="#000000"><b class="">Thursday</b></font></div>
                </td>
                <td style="width: 89.0px; height: 11.0px; border-style:
                  solid; border-width: 1.0px 1.0px 1.0px 1.0px;
                  border-color: #000000 #000000 #000000 #000000;
                  padding: 4.0px 4.0px 4.0px 4.0px" class=""
                  valign="top">
                  <div style="margin: 0px; text-align: center;" class=""><font
                      style="font-size: 10px; line-height: normal;
                      -webkit-font-kerning: none;
                      font-variant-ligatures: common-ligatures;
                      -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""
                      face="Helvetica" color="#000000">29</font></div>
                </td>
                <td style="width: 89.0px; height: 11.0px; border-style:
                  solid; border-width: 1.0px 1.0px 1.0px 1.0px;
                  border-color: #000000 #000000 #000000 #000000;
                  padding: 4.0px 4.0px 4.0px 4.0px" class=""
                  valign="top">
                  <div style="margin: 0px; text-align: center;" class=""><font
                      style="font-size: 10px; line-height: normal;
                      -webkit-font-kerning: none;
                      font-variant-ligatures: common-ligatures;
                      -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""
                      face="Helvetica" color="#000000">21</font></div>
                </td>
                <td style="width: 89.0px; height: 11.0px; border-style:
                  solid; border-width: 1.0px 2.0px 1.0px 1.0px;
                  border-color: #000000 #000000 #000000 #000000;
                  padding: 4.0px 4.0px 4.0px 4.0px" class=""
                  valign="top">
                  <div style="margin: 0px; text-align: center;" class=""><font
                      style="font-size: 10px; line-height: normal;
                      -webkit-font-kerning: none;
                      font-variant-ligatures: common-ligatures;
                      -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""
                      face="Helvetica" color="#000000">36.7</font></div>
                </td>
              </tr>
              <tr class="">
                <td style="width: 88.0px; height: 12.0px;
                  background-color: #dcdcdc; border-style: solid;
                  border-width: 1.0px 1.0px 2.0px 2.0px; border-color:
                  #000000 #000000 #000000 #000000; padding: 4.0px 4.0px
                  4.0px 4.0px" class="" valign="top">
                  <div style="margin: 0px; text-align: center;" class=""><font
                      style="font-size: 10px; line-height: normal;
                      -webkit-font-kerning: none;
                      font-variant-ligatures: common-ligatures;
                      -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""
                      face="Helvetica" color="#000000"><b class="">Friday</b></font></div>
                </td>
                <td style="width: 89.0px; height: 12.0px; border-style:
                  solid; border-width: 1.0px 1.0px 2.0px 1.0px;
                  border-color: #000000 #000000 #000000 #000000;
                  padding: 4.0px 4.0px 4.0px 4.0px" class=""
                  valign="top">
                  <div style="margin: 0px; text-align: center;" class=""><font
                      style="font-size: 10px; line-height: normal;
                      -webkit-font-kerning: none;
                      font-variant-ligatures: common-ligatures;
                      -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""
                      face="Helvetica" color="#000000">31</font></div>
                </td>
                <td style="width: 89.0px; height: 12.0px; border-style:
                  solid; border-width: 1.0px 1.0px 2.0px 1.0px;
                  border-color: #000000 #000000 #000000 #000000;
                  padding: 4.0px 4.0px 4.0px 4.0px" class=""
                  valign="top">
                  <div style="margin: 0px; text-align: center;" class=""><font
                      style="font-size: 10px; line-height: normal;
                      -webkit-font-kerning: none;
                      font-variant-ligatures: common-ligatures;
                      -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""
                      face="Helvetica" color="#000000">18</font></div>
                </td>
                <td style="width: 89.0px; height: 12.0px; border-style:
                  solid; border-width: 1.0px 2.0px 2.0px 1.0px;
                  border-color: #000000 #000000 #000000 #000000;
                  padding: 4.0px 4.0px 4.0px 4.0px" class=""
                  valign="top">
                  <div style="margin: 0px; text-align: center;" class=""><font
                      style="font-size: 10px; line-height: normal;
                      -webkit-font-kerning: none;
                      font-variant-ligatures: common-ligatures;
                      -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""
                      face="Helvetica" color="#000000">37.8</font></div>
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                <td style="width: 88.0px; height: 12.0px;
                  background-color: #dcdcdc; border-style: solid;
                  border-width: 2.0px 1.0px 2.0px 2.0px; border-color:
                  #000000 #000000 #000000 #000000; padding: 4.0px 4.0px
                  4.0px 4.0px" class="" valign="top">
                  <div style="margin: 0px; text-align: center;" class=""><font
                      style="font-size: 10px; line-height: normal;
                      -webkit-font-kerning: none;
                      font-variant-ligatures: common-ligatures;
                      -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""
                      face="Helvetica" color="#000000"><b class="">Ave’s</b></font></div>
                </td>
                <td style="width: 89.0px; height: 12.0px; border-style:
                  solid; border-width: 2.0px 1.0px 2.0px 1.0px;
                  border-color: #000000 #000000 #000000 #000000;
                  padding: 4.0px 4.0px 4.0px 4.0px" class=""
                  valign="top">
                  <div style="margin: 0px; text-align: center;" class=""><font
                      style="font-size: 10px; line-height: normal;
                      -webkit-font-kerning: none;
                      font-variant-ligatures: common-ligatures;
                      -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""
                      face="Helvetica" color="#000000">30</font></div>
                </td>
                <td style="width: 89.0px; height: 12.0px; border-style:
                  solid; border-width: 2.0px 1.0px 2.0px 1.0px;
                  border-color: #000000 #000000 #000000 #000000;
                  padding: 4.0px 4.0px 4.0px 4.0px" class=""
                  valign="top">
                  <div style="margin: 0px; text-align: center;" class=""><font
                      style="font-size: 10px; line-height: normal;
                      -webkit-font-kerning: none;
                      font-variant-ligatures: common-ligatures;
                      -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""
                      face="Helvetica" color="#000000">19.8</font></div>
                </td>
                <td style="width: 89.0px; height: 12.0px; border-style:
                  solid; border-width: 2.0px 2.0px 2.0px 1.0px;
                  border-color: #000000 #000000 #000000 #000000;
                  padding: 4.0px 4.0px 4.0px 4.0px" class=""
                  valign="top">
                  <div style="margin: 0px; text-align: center;" class=""><font
                      style="font-size: 10px; line-height: normal;
                      -webkit-font-kerning: none;
                      font-variant-ligatures: common-ligatures;
                      -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""
                      face="Helvetica" color="#000000">37.4</font></div>
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              </tr>
              <tr class="">
                <td style="width: 89.0px; height: 12.0px;
                  background-color: #dcdcdc; border-style: solid;
                  border-width: 2.0px 1.0px 1.0px 1.0px; border-color:
                  #000000 #000000 #000000 #000000; padding: 4.0px 4.0px
                  4.0px 4.0px" class="" valign="top">
                  <div style="margin: 0px;" class=""><font
                      style="font-size: 10px; line-height: normal;
                      -webkit-font-kerning: none;
                      font-variant-ligatures: common-ligatures;
                      -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""
                      face="Helvetica" color="#000000"><b class="">Max
                        difference</b></font></div>
                </td>
                <td style="width: 89.0px; height: 12.0px; border-style:
                  solid; border-width: 2.0px 1.0px 1.0px 1.0px;
                  border-color: #000000 #000000 #000000 #000000;
                  padding: 4.0px 4.0px 4.0px 4.0px" class=""
                  valign="top">
                  <div style="margin: 0px;" class=""><font
                      style="font-size: 10px; line-height: normal;
                      -webkit-font-kerning: none;
                      font-variant-ligatures: common-ligatures;
                      -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""
                      face="Helvetica" color="#000000">4/28  (14%)</font></div>
                </td>
                <td style="width: 89.0px; height: 12.0px; border-style:
                  solid; border-width: 2.0px 1.0px 1.0px 1.0px;
                  border-color: #000000 #000000 #000000 #000000;
                  padding: 4.0px 4.0px 4.0px 4.0px" class=""
                  valign="top">
                  <div style="margin: 0px;" class=""><font
                      style="font-size: 10px; line-height: normal;
                      -webkit-font-kerning: none;
                      font-variant-ligatures: common-ligatures;
                      -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""
                      face="Helvetica" color="#000000">6/17  (35%)</font></div>
                </td>
                <td style="width: 89.0px; height: 12.0px; border-style:
                  solid; border-width: 2.0px 1.0px 1.0px 1.0px;
                  border-color: #000000 #000000 #000000 #000000;
                  padding: 4.0px 4.0px 4.0px 4.0px" class=""
                  valign="top">
                  <div style="margin: 0px;" class=""><font
                      style="font-size: 10px; line-height: normal;
                      -webkit-font-kerning: none;
                      font-variant-ligatures: common-ligatures;
                      -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=""
                      face="Helvetica" color="#000000">2.2/36.4  (6%)</font></div>
                </td>
              </tr>
            </tbody>
          </table>
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        </div>
        <div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">   </span>The
          important point (which I have so far hidden in this
          hypothetical example) is that these are not different stoves.
          These are posited results all for the same stove.  The
          differences are caused by having different operators,
          different types of fuel, moisture content, , etc.  Multiple
          tests are needed (and are being undertaken) to be able to
          report a more accurate answer.<o:p></o:p></div>
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          <div>
            <div>
            </div>
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
            </div>
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span class="apple-tab-span">           
                </span>The subtraction of E2 in the denominator is NOT
                leading up to a statement about charcoal production
                efficiency.  It is the exact opposite.  The denominator
                after subtraction is the amount of energy available for
                boiling water.  The resultant answer (about 37.5%,
                within about 1 %) is the efficiency of the stove if no
                char had been produced.<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
            </div>
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span class="apple-tab-span">           
                </span>So I am fully happy with using this equation, as
                long as there is no intent to make and keep produced
                char.  It is NOT an incorrect equation.  But it is
                meaningless if one is intentionally trying to produce
                char.  Crispin and I agree on this.<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
            </div>
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal">Ron<o:p></o:p></p>
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