<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div class="m_-2490680256044089650gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div>Paul: <br><br>Sorry for a delayed response. <br><br>My 20+ years old charge that the CDM process - in turn based on IPCC Guidelines for GHG inventorying - is based on "expert-selected species for expert-selected computational methods from expert-selected sources net of expert-selected sinks" - is re-confirmed by your post. <br><br>I wish you all success in getting biochar recognized in some "avoided kgCO2e" fashion. <br><br>I haven't looked at CDM rules in ten years, but there may be some "sequestration" computations available from the REDD projects. I don't know if there are any yet under CDM. (This may answer Frank's question -- two different mechanisms may apply at the FCCC.) <br><br>You will also do a great service by doing what is called "price discovery". <br><br>Here is perhaps a stupid question --- if you put 1 tCO2e in the ground per year as char, is that net of all CO2e emitted from the stove? Or do your stoves have to show a low fNRB in order to get any avoided CO2e from combustion? What is the baseline for both cooking emissions (today) and char emissions (100 years, say)? What do you have to prove for "permanent sequestration"? (Not that anybody else has to prove permanent effect, only that during project lifetime.) <br><br>I have no knowledge of the fate of char in soil. <br><br>A silly idea perhaps -- you can design bids for your CDM and char/REDD certificates (assuming REDD applies), and offer the first buyers discounted price on future certificates. I did some auction modeling for Montreal Protocol some twenty years ago, but a better economist and scientist is needed for REDD auctions!! (There has been some literature on CER auction models, but my knowledge is way too rusty.) <br><br>Start with a reservation price for CDM at $7/tCO2e and char at $10/tCO2e. Is that enough revenue per stove to cover the fob plant production cost? <br><br>Nikhil<br><br><br><br><br></div><div><br></div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><font face="georgia, serif"><i> </i></font></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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Frank, Stovers, and Charists.<br>
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I am responding to Frank's question that is below.<br>
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No carbon credits are given for biochar because that is the way the
current carbon credit system is structured for that Deganga project
(link is given below). That is beyond the control of that project.<br>
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HOWEVER, I am organizing a similar Champion TLUD stove project in
East Darjeeling District, West Bengal, India (exactly on the border
with Bhutan). That project has new rules about its carbon credits.
And I am stating that the incorporation of biochar into soils is
eligible for carbon credits. I will be presenting this at the ETHOS
session Saturday evening 28 January. in the Seattle area.<br>
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Note: Carbon credits are essentially an intangible commodity that
can be linked to specific acts, such as the irreversible, scattered
burial of appropriate carbon into soil. Will someone pay to have
that char-burial (making it unburnable) occur? THAT is the same as
paying for voluntary carbon credits. <br>
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When (not if) that "unburnableness" of char is possible in a
reasonably documented manner, would someone pay for that to happen?
I think that some people will A) pay for the carbon-negative burial
of the equivlaent of 1 tCO2; or B) pay to have biochar into soil; or
C) pay to accomplish both A and B; or D) pay as a donation to a real
biochar project in an impoverished country; or E) pay for any other
reason (such as "they like Paul Anderson.") <br>
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It takes about 250 kg (quarter ton) of dry un-treated (raw) biochar
to make 1 tonne CO2eq., and that amount of char comes from 1 TLUD
stove used daily in one household during one year (based on India
field data, not just laboratory calculations). I think that such an
amount that is PERMANENTLY SEQUESTERED should be worth TWO carbon
credits, but that will need to be debated and resolved. <br>
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I intend to place that amount of char on the market for US$20, being
the price for EITHER one Biochar Credit or two Carbon Credits. I
think that is a fair price. What do you think? Can the price be
higher? <br>
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The East Darjeeling project will also be selling single Carbon
Credits for $10.<br>
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Will anyone purchase it (as 2 carbon credits and they do not care
about the char as long as it is made unburnable) (or as one biochar
credit) and donate it to a serious biochar project in the local
area? <br>
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THAT is a serious question. And I ask it to everyone who is
reading this email. $20 for biochar. And there will be tens of
thousands of those "Biochar Credits" every year. <br>
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Remember, this is BOTH a Biochar Listserv topic (obviously) AND a
Stoves Listserv topic (as it relates to how to finance the stoves
that we want to disseminate.) To be discussed on the lists
separately.<br>
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I will be discussing this further, providing information as fast as
I can. I will see your responses, but I have work to do and will
let others lead the discussions / debates. (Please be sure that
all discussants have read the Deganga TLUD report. Otherwise, the
above statements and their comments will not make sense.) <br>
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Paul<br>
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<div><span style="font-family:calibri;font-size:11pt">Thanks Paul,</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:calibri;font-size:11pt">I searched for the Deganga study and found it to be
interesting. One statement in the report i do not understand:</span></div>
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"3. The produced TLUD char cannot generate credits if it
is burned by the household or used as biochar for soil
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<div>“cannot generate credits if it is burned by the
household” - thats makes sense.</div>
<div>“or used as biochar for soil amending”? - that makes
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<div>Amazing number of hurtles that you must have
overcome to set the program in motion.</div>
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