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Stovers,<br>
<br>
These very recent messages, especially Crispin's critique of Nikhil
and others comments, have touched many emotions. Issues have been
exposed, and questions raised. But there are not yet answers.
Differences have not yet been resolved, even if eventually there is
only agreement to disagree.<br>
<br>
HOWEVER, NOTHING WILL CHANGE UNLESS WE INSIST UPON WHAT TOM HAS
STATED:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">GACC
will be fully engaged at ETHOS in two weeks. Let’s discuss
what can be accomplished by the stoves community, including
GACC. Health impacts, fuels, stove designs, dissemination . .
. Let’s be clear about the needs for current and future
programs, and what should change. </span></p>
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But that is NOT likely to happen at ETHOS unless ETHOS does
something differently this year. As an ETHOS participant since
2003, I know that discussions that are IN DEPTH and truly open do
NOT occur often (if ever) at ETHOS. <br>
<br>
GACC will "make presentations", but that is hardly being "fully
engaged". Sort of like reading a GACC annual report. Attendees are
told what the speakers want to tell. There will be no "accounting"
of the GACC budget. And very little discussion because there is so
little time. And because attendees are truly polite and avoid
confrontations. <br>
<br>
There will be no resolution of issues about testing (even multiple
multi-day meetings of Working Groups or Task Forces on the testing
issues do not resolve the issues). And ETHOS does not sit in
judgement of GACC or any entity. <br>
<br>
Real impact / change of GACC will be at ETHOS only if the GACC
itself decides that some changes need to be made (and an
announcement at ETHOS would be an appropriate action.) <br>
<br>
However, as Tom wrote:
<blockquote type="cite"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Let’s
discuss what can be accomplished by the stoves community,
including GACC. Health impacts, fuels, stove designs,
dissemination . . .</span></blockquote>
AND<br>
<blockquote type="cite"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
Let’s be clear about the needs for current and future programs,
and what should change. <br>
</span></blockquote>
If that discussion happens, we all can be much happier about the
future of stove solutions. That is, ___IF___ such discussions
happen.<br>
<br>
For my part, I have the Saturday evening block, and I intend to lay
out pathways for success in positive terms. I have not yet seen
how the GACC will significantly be of assistance, but I do have
hope. And open discussion will follow on Saturday evening, and
into Sunday if necessary.<br>
<br>
Yes, I am glad that I go to ETHOS every year. Almost always I can
detect only very small advancements. Maybe this year will be
better.<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
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Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/14/2017 10:27 PM, Tom Miles wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I
agree on the analysis and on the critical review. I invited
Nikhil to provide a critical perspective and I appreciate
that he has been working overtime at it. I do not agree that
we need to beat up the Clintons, PCIA, GACC (UN Foundation)
and their predecessors with every post. It’s a moot point.
We have had opportunities to influence policy going back to
the PCIA. What’s important now is how we go forward, as
Crispin has outlined. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">GACC
will be fully engaged at ETHOS in two weeks. Let’s discuss
what can be accomplished by the stoves community, including
GACC. Health impacts, fuels, stove designs, dissemination .
. . Let’s be clear about the needs for current and future
programs, and what should change. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
name="_MailEndCompose"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
Stoves [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:stoves-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org">mailto:stoves-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>nari phaltan<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, January 14, 2017 6:20 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Discussion of biomass cooking stoves
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org"><stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org></a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:miata98@gmail.com">miata98@gmail.com</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> SPAM: Re: [Stoves] Off-topic: Time to shut
off dripping drivel - mine or GACC's? (Re: Tom Miles)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#351C75">Dear
Tom,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#351C75">I
second what Todd Albi has written in his mail. Nikhil
provides a very detailed analysis (though he could put
it more politely) about lots of assumptions that we
never question. From his and Crispin's mail the GACC
funding scenario is quite opaque and with very little
accountability.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#351C75">Emails
are very easy to delete with a click if somebody does
not like them. But removing the opportunity for others
to see and read what people have to say is not very
productive.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#351C75">All
the best and belated Happy and Energetic New Year.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#351C75">Anil<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Nimbkar Agricultural Research
Institute (NARI)<br>
Tambmal, Phaltan-Lonand Road<br>
P.O.Box 44<br>
Phaltan-415523, Maharashtra, India<br>
Ph:91-2166-220945/222842<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Sun, Jan 15, 2017 at 3:05 AM, Todd
Albi <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:todd.r.albi@gmail.com" target="_blank">todd.r.albi@gmail.com</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Nikhil has provided valuable
input numerous times, like others on this site. I
doubt any of the stove community embraces everything
posted here, <i>by anyone</i>. Biomass is a black
science, as well is biochar, with numerous
variables, politics, ego's, and other agenda's
involved. Many of Nikhil's posts are spot on and
raises salient points.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">So let's live and let live and
let everyone have their say, even if we are or are
not in agreement. The stove community members are
adults and can decide what information is of
valuable, or not of valuable. Thanks for the list,
but censorship is an inappropriate response.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Todd Albi, SilverFire<o:p></o:p></p>
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