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<p class="MsoPlainText">Dear Frank<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">I tend to agree as a knee-jerk response, however the development over the past 4 years of the BST Lab test for biomass fired cooking stoves is a good example of group collaboration for a very high quality product. This is a project of
S<sup>4</sup>G (the South-South Sustainable Stoves Group), a collaboration by experts from more than 10 developing countries each of which contributes expertise.
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<p class="MsoPlainText">The major difference one sees working with this group is the lack of adherence to old paradigms, and the concentration on the latest science and conceptual frameworks. At present the whole test protocol is less than 20 pages long and
provides an easy to follow set of procedures with valid, meaningful metrics. I hope it will be generally available this calendar year.
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<p class="MsoPlainText">While one person can come up with a test, it is quite another thing to come up with an entire protocol. That is why National Standards are written by a team, and reviewed by another team. And when that is all done, it is still published
for public comment for 60 days to get reviews by external parties. The IWA 2012:11 calls for all stove test methods to be expertly reviewed (and ‘pass’) by external parties. So far as I hear, only one has been which is the HPT from the SeTAR Centre (multiple
times – four that I know of). <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-CA">You would be surprised what other expert eyes can see when it comes to conceptual overviews. We are always updating as things come to light. The point is to be able to make a valid
prediction of future performance, the same as certifying a bridge load capacity or a car’s fuel efficiency.
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-CA"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-CA">We can always be inspired by the success of the Spitfire which was pretty much designed by one guy, or the F104 fighter jet which was designed by Kelly in a very short time.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-CA">Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-CA">Crispin<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">Stovers,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">From my experience (USCC, ACP, IBI, etc.) working in groups to come up with test methods the approach used is wrong and reason nothing gets done. Grouping experts, each with their own idea, together to come up with the best does not
work. A better way is to let each person/group develop their own idea. Then a presentation of the ideas presented for one to be picked.
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<p class="MsoPlainText">Thanks<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">Frank<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Frank Shields<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Gabilan Laboratory<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Keith Day Company, Inc.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">1091 Madison Lane<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Salinas, CA 93907<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">(831) 246-0417 cell<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">(831) 771-0126 office<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><a href="mailto:fShields@keithdaycompany.com"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">fShields@keithdaycompany.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><a href="mailto:franke@cruzio.com"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">franke@cruzio.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
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