<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Stovers,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Harold excellent outline below on designing and setting up a test procedure - for the purpose of lab testing where findings can be taken to the field to establish the correct (best) stove for the site. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The main problem, I am now thinking, is that we are not given a clean sheet of paper to work out the different steps. If that was the case it would be easy. We have been ‘required’ to include two formulas that have made it impossible to come up with the desired method, spending many wasted years and countless millions(?) USD in the process. Still with no method. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The first is the energy efficiency calculation of ((total energy) - (unburned energy)) / energy into the pot. </div><div class="">Problems:</div><div class="">1) When you stop a stove when the big hand strikes 12 and drag out all the unburned stuff you have a mixture of wet wood, dry wood, char, torrefied wood, and ash. The energy in that mess is hard to determine and impossible with any Robustness that is required for having a good method with such a variation of feedstocks. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">2) There is NO standard energy values from books that we can use. Wild biomass contains all types of materials like bark, dead wood, cotton wood, leaves, nuts and berries, dirt and such. It must be measured. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">3) The other formulas is where one takes the hydrogen in the biomass (estimated actually) and the hydrogen from the moisture and use it in the calculations to ’normalize’ the energy produced back to dry weight. A meaningless exercise. Comparing is done on a dry weight basis in the lab. Water in the wild fuel is just part of the fuel and should be reported as percent moisture but not used to lower the energy value of the fuel. We should determine what happens with using fuel having that moisture. If you were to take a dry fuel and runs it through the method. Then take the same amount of dry basis with a moisture of, say 20%, would the corrected results be the same as found using the dry biomass? I doubt it. In fact, if increasing moisture in biomass changes the amount of char thats produced (as been mentioned) that is proof you cannot apply that correction.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Its been like we are told we are required to use these formula in the method - WE DO NOT. Starting with a blank sheet and Harold’s guidelines any method we come up with that works will do. Real easy.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Then we will need about ten million dollars to buy stoves, all types of biomass and test out the procedure. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Regards</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Frank</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jan 15, 2017, at 4:35 PM, Crispin Pemberton-Pigott <<a href="mailto:crispinpigott@outlook.com" class="">crispinpigott@outlook.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: initial; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); width: 1003px; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">This is how it should be done, as explained by Harold Annegarn:</div><div style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: initial; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); width: 1003px; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: initial; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); width: 1003px; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Define the required output, the units and the accuracy needed. Define an acceptable range of error. </div><div style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: initial; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); width: 1003px; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: initial; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); width: 1003px; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Working backwards from the result through the formulas needed, define the measurements needed, their accuracy and precision. </div><div style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: initial; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); width: 1003px; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: initial; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); width: 1003px; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Describe the equipment needed to obtain those measurements and the conditions under which they shall be obtained. </div><div style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: initial; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); width: 1003px; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: initial; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); width: 1003px; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">The rest falls together. Terms needed are defined, and no term goes undefined. </div><div style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: initial; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); width: 1003px; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: initial; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); width: 1003px; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">The result is a list of required measurements with defined parameters that can be used to select equipment. </div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></div></blockquote></div><br class=""><div class="">
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