<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Dear Xavier and Stovers,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">What makes a test method good or bad is only how the results are interpreted and used. The method needs to support the conclusion. So we don’t say it is the fault of the method - just how it was used. I am sure it (WBT) did a lot of good at Aprovecho when optimizing gap measurements combustion materials and chamber dimensions. . </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;"><span class="" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial;">Crispin is right, I could not agree more with him on that: before being able to do the R&D that we need so much, we need valid metrics. There is no way around that. This should be our first priority.</span></div></div></div></blockquote><br class=""></div><div class="">I also agree. The second is the path to get there. That is the Six Box system:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">1) Fuel</div><div class="">2) fuel introduction into the combustion chamber</div><div class="">3) Combustion chamber</div><div class="">4) cooking utensils (pot size, metal material, etc)</div><div class="">5) cooking process (cover pot, stir three times, ad salt etc)</div><div class="">6) Task completion (must be a sharp point when task is considered complete)</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Each has its own requirement for ‘valid metrics’.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Another is how we rate stoves. We do not have a long list with best stoves at the top. </div><div class="">They must be rated as to (A) Fuel limitations (whats available) and (B) Task completions (what people cook). </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""> This is not the usual test method (ASTM, ISO) approach. The purpose of the test method is to place the stove being tested into a group that is good for a particular location and task. Within that ‘location and task’ we have several stoves to pick the best. Or, better, the customer can pick. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Other conditions like safety, PM25, etc are only added requirements - not part of the test.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Regards</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Frank</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jan 19, 2017, at 9:43 AM, Vahid Jahangiri <<a href="mailto:vj@lifelinefund.org" class="">vj@lifelinefund.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div id="divtagdefaultwrapper" dir="ltr" style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">Yes, Xavier, your points are right on. WBT is only good if you are in initial stages of a design and just to have some idea about certain parameters, otherwise it is useless and we are all suffering from it. Worst of all, the testers affiliated with various regional labs just do not have the capacity to run the test. One time, we got our stove results back with 6% efficiency because the testers put Open fire at 24% as the baseline. </div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; color: rgb(33, 33, 33); font-family: wf_segoe-ui_normal, 'Segoe UI', 'Segoe WP', Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; text-align: justify;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial;" class=""><b class=""><br class=""></b></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;" class=""><font face="arial" class=""><b class="">Your points below are correct. </b></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; color: rgb(33, 33, 33); font-family: wf_segoe-ui_normal, 'Segoe UI', 'Segoe WP', Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; text-align: justify;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial;" class=""><b class=""><br class=""></b></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; color: rgb(33, 33, 33); font-family: wf_segoe-ui_normal, 'Segoe UI', 'Segoe WP', Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; text-align: justify;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial;" class=""><b class="">How many tests results are probably meaningless, and so useless? How ignorant were we about the real performance of so many stoves? Many of us could see how different performance in the field was, compared to performance in the lab.</b></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; color: rgb(33, 33, 33); font-family: wf_segoe-ui_normal, 'Segoe UI', 'Segoe WP', Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; text-align: justify;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial;" class=""><b class="">How many not-at-all-improved stoves were built, promoted, and disseminated?</b></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; color: rgb(33, 33, 33); font-family: wf_segoe-ui_normal, 'Segoe UI', 'Segoe WP', Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; text-align: justify;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial;" class=""><b class="">How many stove projects or companies failed because of a test that was problematic in the first place?</b></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; color: rgb(33, 33, 33); font-family: wf_segoe-ui_normal, 'Segoe UI', 'Segoe WP', Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; text-align: justify;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial;" class=""><b class="">How many efforts, how much money was lost because of poor testing?</b></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; color: rgb(33, 33, 33); font-family: wf_segoe-ui_normal, 'Segoe UI', 'Segoe WP', Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; text-align: justify;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial;" class=""><b class=""><br class=""></b></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; color: rgb(33, 33, 33); font-family: wf_segoe-ui_normal, 'Segoe UI', 'Segoe WP', Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; text-align: justify;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial;" class=""><b class="">Vahid </b></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; color: rgb(33, 33, 33); font-family: wf_segoe-ui_normal, 'Segoe UI', 'Segoe WP', Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; text-align: justify;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial;" class=""><b class=""><br class=""></b></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class=""><br class=""></div></div><hr tabindex="-1" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; display: inline-block; width: 984.890625px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class=""></span><div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""><b class="">From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Xavier Brandao <<a href="mailto:xvr.brandao@gmail.com" class="">xvr.brandao@gmail.com</a>><br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday, January 18, 2017 5:08:13 PM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Discussion of biomass cooking stoves<br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Advocacy action: ask the GACC to stop promoting the WBT</font><div class=""> </div></div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial;" class="">Dear friends,</span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial;" class=""> </span></p><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial;" class="">There have been a lot of fierce discussions on the stove discussion list lately. I think most of us are unhappy with a certain number of sector-wide issues.</span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial;" class=""> </span></p><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial;" class="">There is one thing in particular that appalled me. I read the study by Riva et al.:</span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial;" class="">"Fuzzy interval propagation of uncertainties in experimental analysis for improved and traditional three–stone fire cookstoves"</span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;" class=""><a href="https://www.researchgate.net/publication/308900170_2016_Riva_Fuzzy_interval_propagation_of_uncertainties_in_experimental_analysis_for_improved_and_traditional_three_-_Stone_fire_cookstoves" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial;" class="">https://www.researchgate.net/publication/308900170_2016_Riva_Fuzzy_interval_propagation_of_uncertainties_in_experimental_analysis_for_improved_and_traditional_three_-_Stone_fire_cookstoves</span></a><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial;" class=""></span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial;" class=""> </span></p><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial;" class="">I am appalled that we are in 2017, and again another study shows how much the Water Boiling Test is flawed, and is leading us in the wrong direction(s).</span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial;" class="">I am appalled when I think that Crispin has been telling us about it all these years (10 years now?), and his warnings have too often fallen on deaf ears.</span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial;" class=""> </span></p><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial;" class="">Radha Muthiah, the CEO of the GACC, said in her introduction of the GACC 2016 annual report: "The Alliance worked with UNHCR to develop procurement guidelines that include evaluation of stove and fuel performance, affordability, usability, safety, and durability. This is an example of how organizations can adapt international standards to support their priorities and decision-making."</span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial;" class="">Crispin mentioned that the procurement guidelines were based upon the WBT.</span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial;" class="">We are in 2017, and important decisions for thousand of stoves to refugees are still based on the WBT, a test which does not allow us to really know how a stove will perform. This is scary.</span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial;" class=""> </span></p><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial;" class="">At the end of last year, Prakti was commissionned by the World Bank to review the testing ecosystem in India. I had the chance to talk with many stakeholders, especially from the U.S., and to have enlightening discussions. Things have barely started to move it seems. A few people have started to see the shortcomings of the WBT. But this is all too slow.</span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial;" class=""> </span></p><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial;" class="">What we fail to measure are the damages.</span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial;" class="">How many tests results are probably meaningless, and so useless? How ignorant were we about the real performance of so many stoves? Many of us could see how different performance in the field was, compared to performance in the lab.</span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial;" class="">How many not-at-all-improved stoves were built, promoted, and disseminated?</span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial;" class="">How many stove projects or companies failed because of a test that was problematic in the first place?</span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial;" class="">How many efforts, how much money was lost because of poor testing?</span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial;" class=""> </span></p><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial;" class="">Crispin is right, I could not agree more with him on that: before being able to do the R&D that we need so much, we need valid metrics. There is no way around that. This should be our first priority.</span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial;" class=""> </span></p><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial;" class="">We need to act now; but, to act and get results, we must focus on what is important, on what is central, on what is foundational. Now, we need good testing; it is as simple as that.</span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial;" class=""> </span></p><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial;" class="">The goal is not to point fingers, nor put the blame on anyone. What is done is done, the only thing that matters now is: what do we do from here? We need to work together constructively.</span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial;" class="">We cannot say we didn't know.</span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial;" class=""> </span></p><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial;" class="">I discussed with Crispin, Adam, and a few others. I am starting an advocacy action with this email actually.</span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial;" class="">It is very simple.</span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial;" class="">I think we need to address the GACC. Despite all the criticism, the GACC did a lot of work for the stove sector, and, like it or not, is still regarded as our main representative to policy makers and those with the capital to fund meaningful change at scale. We need to be working with them.</span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial;" class=""> </span></p><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial;" class="">We would ask the GACC:</span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial;" class="">· to publicly acknowledge that the WBT has major shortcomings</span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial;" class="">· to remove the protocol from its website, so cookstoves sector stakeholders are not using it</span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial;" class="">· to actively promote development and use of other, valid, protocols</span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial;" class=""> </span></p><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial;" class="">There were a lot of heated discussions around the WBT in the past. Because of that, other protocols were included in the TC 285 process. This is not good enough.</span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial;" class="">We don't want invalid protocols to be promoted alongside valid ones. I believe the WBT is still the most used protocol, and anyone can download it on the web, and (mis)use it. That does a lot of harm.</span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial;" class="">Here it is, on top of the page:</span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial;" class=""><span class=""><span class="gmail-MsoHyperlink"><a href="http://cleancookstoves.org/technology-and-fuels/testing/protocols.html" class="">http://cleancookstoves.org/technology-and-fuels/testing/protocols.html</a><br class=""></span></span></span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial;" class=""> </span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial;" class=""></span></p><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial;" class="">Good and valid protocols do exist. They work very well, give more and better data than the WBT. We do not have, at all, to use the WBT. Why would we keep using it at all?</span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial;" class=""> </span></p><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial;" class="">Recent articles have shown that we are losing credibility as a sector. We cannot regain it if we keep using invalid testing. I think this sector is comprised of good people who want to do good science and build healthy foundations.</span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial;" class=""> </span></p><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial;" class="">If you think you are one of these people, please contact me at my email address to show your support for this initiative:</span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;" class=""><a href="mailto:xvr.brandao@gmail.com" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial;" class=""><span class=""><span class="gmail-MsoHyperlink">xvr.brandao@gmail.com</span></span></span></a></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial;" class="">If you have an opinion on the matter, let's please discuss it here on the stovelist. If you dont agree, if you think there are good scientific grounds for the WBT as a valid protocol, or think for this or another reason that it should still be used, please let's discuss it, in scientific terms, on this list.</span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial;" class=""> </span></p><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial;" class="">The outcomes of this discussion will be brought to the GACC, and we will continue discussing it with them.</span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial;" class="">We have all dedicated a significant portion of our lives to this work; let us not let bad science, or past wrong decisions undermine all that we have accomplished, or all that we might. Can we stand together, whatever our differences of opinion on the best stoves, or fuels, or development practices and agree that in testing our assumptions, pseudo-science and demonstrably flawed methods have no place in this sector?</span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial;" class=""> </span></p><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial;" class="">Please join, please tell people around you about this initiative.</span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial;" class=""> </span></p><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial;" class="">2017 is just starting, let's start it on the right foot.</span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial;" class=""> </span></p><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial;" class="">Thanks,</span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial;" class=""></span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial;" class=""> </span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial;" class=""></span></p><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: justify;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial;" class="">Xavier</span></div></div></div><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">_______________________________________________</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br class=""></div></blockquote></div><br class=""><div class="">
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