<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Nikhil,<div class=""><br class=""><div class="">The surrogate is all about learning more about the conditions for the best combustion. Then using it to ‘read’ what is taking place and monitoring adjustments that are made. I think more can be done measuring the gases just before the secondary. Not after. And the surrogate allows for very accurate measurements as the solid turns to a gas - IF IT WORKS! </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">It is obvious (to me) that the limiting factor now is providing a homogenous fuel for the stove. A lot can be improved if the available fuel is sized and moisture controlled over anything else we do. Once that is done the next step is study the combustion. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">We cannot make and present a test procedure now. We have more work to do and that means money and a good lab to do the right work. Labs also need to stay in business and that means to have samples received, work done and payments made. That is why I do not suggest we give up on the WBT until we assign the labs another task to do regarding stove testing. It will not be good to lose the stove testing labs. There will be plenty of work for them to do if what I am thinking ever takes place. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">With all the modern testing equipment I believe we can take biomass stoves to a new level. Once we know what gas mix we want and the adjustments needed to achieve that we can really fine tune these little stoves. But just a pipe dream?</div><div class=""> </div><div class="">Regards</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Frank</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jan 26, 2017, at 6:44 PM, Traveller <<a href="mailto:miata98@gmail.com" class="">miata98@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">Frank: <br class=""><br class="">Bingo!! <div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I think you got it right -- and it is all "contextual", as Cecil would say. <br class=""><br class="">You have targeted some serious errors in the IWA work so far - as far as I can tell, their test methods not only ignore chemical data and operational characteristics (feeding the fuel, a surrogate perhaps for controllability, a critical feature), they also simply cook up "air quality" based on lab test emission rates. [Well, TC 285 may not do this; their error is accepting emission rates targets in the first place, which WHO derives from some spurious backcasting of burden of disease to exposures to concentrations to emission profiles, not rates. It is the BAMG that then takes emission rates to air quality via spurious "box modeling". IWA should not have endorsed WHO's PM2.5 emissions rate nonsense in the first place.]</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Doing things "right" to please the cook is one thing, to please WHO (who? what business do they have?) is another. <br class=""><br class="">WHO/BAMG/EPA will cook up only "academic stoves" (like Hyman Rickover's "academic reactor".) <br class=""><br class="">Blessed by academics so they can go on with GACC blather about "complete and irreversible" transition to "clean cookstoves" (on which precision is lacking, hence the charade of WBT). </div><div class=""><br class="">I would add "thermal storage" as an option, or a small fridge can serve the purpose -- cook a lot once a day or every third day, cooked food is "stored cooking energy". (With UN blather about "Sustainable Energy for All" - our UNF Inc. friends are promoting universal electricity access after all. <br class=""><br class="">Or with electricity for all, some 20-30% of the household cooking energy demand otherwise sought to be satisfied with biomass stoves would be shaved off by electricity in and outside the household. <br class=""><br class="">The world changes, but some stovers are still stuck on WBT. Or stuck in 1970s mindset. (I give them credit - after all, some of the world's poor do still live in 19th Century conditions when it comes to fuels.) <br class=""><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all" class=""><div class=""><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><span style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:12.8px" class="">Nikhil<br class="">--------- </span></div><div style="font-size:12.8px" class=""><span style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:12.8px" class="">(India +91) 909 995 2080</span><font face="georgia, serif" class=""><br class=""><i class=""> </i></font></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 10:56 PM, Frank Shields <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:franke@cruzio.com" target="_blank" class="">franke@cruzio.com</a>></span> wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word" class="">Dear Nikhil,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span class=""><br class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jan 25, 2017, at 10:48 PM, Traveller <<a href="mailto:miata98@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="">miata98@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="m_1244920341127372825Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><a href="https://phys.org/news/2017-01-cookstove-pollution-supercomputers-nasa-satellites.html" target="_blank" class="">Research targets cookstove pollution using supercomputers and NASA satellites</a> <a href="http://phys.org/" target="_blank" class="">Phys.Org</a> and <a href="http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/scrapping-worst-pollution-emitting-stoves-could-prevent-22-5-million-early-deaths-by-2100-1602626" target="_blank" class="">Scrapping the worst pollution-emitting stoves could prevent 22.5 million early deaths by 2100</a> International Business Times UK.<div class=""><div class=""><br class="">Give some kids "supercomputers and NASA satellites" to come up with "better biomass stoves", I wonder. </div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></span><div class=""><snip></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Give some kids supercomputers and combustion data 1) helium surrogate pre-secondary 2) [BOX 1] fuel data (physical and chemical) 3) [BOX 2] fuel method of adding to the combustion chamber 4) air monitoring data to come up with "better biomass stoves", I wonder. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Regards</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Frank</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><br class=""><div class="">
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