<div dir="ltr">Cecil: <br><br>I know next to nothing about ETHOS; do I need to know more or less? <div><br></div><div>I am sure all those road warriors show perfect kalos kagathos. And remember patheir mathos. <br><br>The glib and the gullible stay close together. </div><div><br></div><div>Nikhil<br><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><span style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:12.8px"><br>--------- </span></div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:12.8px">(India +91) 909 995 2080</span><font face="georgia, serif"><br><i> </i></font></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jan 28, 2017 at 5:52 PM, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:cec1863@gmail.com" target="_blank">cec1863@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="en-US" style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255);line-height:initial"> <div style="width:100%;font-size:initial;font-family:Calibri,'Slate Pro',sans-serif,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);text-align:initial;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Friend NIkhil,</div><div style="width:100%;font-size:initial;font-family:Calibri,'Slate Pro',sans-serif,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);text-align:initial;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br></div><div style="width:100%;font-size:initial;font-family:Calibri,'Slate Pro',sans-serif,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);text-align:initial;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Playing with your words is it ETHOS or EGOTHOS ?</div><div style="width:100%;font-size:initial;font-family:Calibri,'Slate Pro',sans-serif,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);text-align:initial;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br></div><div style="width:100%;font-size:initial;font-family:Calibri,'Slate Pro',sans-serif,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);text-align:initial;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">In spiritual or philosophical terms Nikhil are not the ETHOS folks suffering from a strange sort of identity theft....due to a profound failure to recognize that human beings are the primary agents at the core of all things cultural and therefore it is our common humanity that is the metaphoric missing ingredient in their approach to the study of stoves stoves..... and stoves are inherently homo-centric cultural constructs beginning with the 3 Stone Fire. </div> <div style="width:100%;font-size:initial;font-family:Calibri,'Slate Pro',sans-serif,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);text-align:initial;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br></div><div style="width:100%;font-size:initial;font-family:Calibri,'Slate Pro',sans-serif,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);text-align:initial;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Maybe it's something like that: we need the simple minded courage to put our common humanity back into the center of our scientific study of stoves! </div><div style="width:100%;font-size:initial;font-family:Calibri,'Slate Pro',sans-serif,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);text-align:initial;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br></div><div style="width:100%;font-size:initial;font-family:Calibri,'Slate Pro',sans-serif,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);text-align:initial;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Cecil the Bemused</div> <div style="font-size:initial;font-family:Calibri,'Slate Pro',sans-serif,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);text-align:initial;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Sent from my BlackBerry 10 <wbr>smartphone.</div> <table width="100%" style="background-color:white;border-spacing:0px"> <tbody><tr><td colspan="2" style="font-size:initial;text-align:initial;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"> <div style="border-style:solid none none;border-top-color:rgb(181,196,223);border-top-width:1pt;padding:3pt 0in 0in;font-family:Tahoma,'BB Alpha Sans','Slate Pro';font-size:10pt"> <div><b>From: </b>Traveller</div><div><b>Sent: </b>Saturday, January 28, 2017 12:42 AM</div><div><b>To: </b>Frank Shields</div><div><b>Reply To: </b><a href="mailto:miata98@gmail.com" target="_blank">miata98@gmail.com</a></div><span class=""><div><b>Cc: </b>Discussion of biomass cooking stoves</div></span><div><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Stoves] Biomass stoves v. PV-induction cooking (re: Frank)</div></div></td></tr></tbody></table><div><div class="h5"><div style="border-style:solid none none;border-top-color:rgb(186,188,209);border-top-width:1pt;font-size:initial;text-align:initial;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"></div><br><div id="m_-110083245381766463_originalContent"><div dir="ltr">Frank: <br><br>The stumbling block to progress are irrelevant performance metrics - fuel consumption and emission rates for, heavens, BOILING WATER! <br><br>Electricity and gas folks are skewered by ultra-Greens for their fuel-cycle GHG emissions, just to make sure the earth is balanced on the backs of the poor. <br><br>But they had an advantage - the purportedly "exhaustible" fuels were used some four times over what was supposedly "left in the ground" in 1970 and the purportedly "renewable biomass" was costly, inaccessible, or had better uses. (Even that 1909 Journal of Home Economics article said there are superior uses of wood in America than burning it in the hearth.) <br><br>Unless the biomass folks stop obsessing over bean-counting and manufacturing "co-benefits" in health, climate, livelihoods and women's empowerment - in other words, unless they get their heads out of the firebox and put ":cook" back in "cookstoves", they will keep arguing among themselves. <br><br>After all, they seem to want to ensure that their egos are sufficiently fed. The ethos of ETHOS, I might say. <br><br>I am tempted to put a slogan below my signature - "Usable Stoves Suited to Contexts", or USSC. Think I will raise $300+ million? :-) <br><div><br></div><div>Nikhil<br><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="m_-110083245381766463gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><span style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:12.8px"><br>--------- </span></div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:12.8px">(India +91) 909 995 2080</span><font face="georgia, serif"><br><i> </i></font></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jan 28, 2017 at 6:11 AM, Frank Shields <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:franke@cruzio.com" target="_blank">franke@cruzio.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">My only point was that at the rate and direction we Stovers are heading the pv people, no matter how many years, will likely solve the problem before we do regarding smoke.<br>
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