<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">Nikhil, Jock, list and ccs</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>See inserts. Handled shallowly below because this is a standard topic on the (sister) biochar list.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jan 27, 2017, at 10:54 PM, Traveller <<a href="mailto:miata98@gmail.com" class="">miata98@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">Jock: <br class=""><br class="">Why should poor people’s stoves have to worry about CO2 drawdown? <br class=""></div></div></blockquote><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span></div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><b class="">[RWL: You misunderstand Jock (a good e-mail friend , who like me has worked on policy matters in DC). CO2 drawdown is a responsibility of developed countries - especially the USA. The cheapest way by far is to pay (fairly) rural inhabitants of developing countries for producing and using biochar..</b></div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><br class="">The White House just put out a <a href="https://unfccc.int/files/focus/long-term_strategies/application/pdf/mid_century_strategy_report-final_red.pdf" class="">United States Mid-Century Strategy FOR DEEP DECARBONIZATION</a> (November 2016). <br class=""><br class="">I wish the White House all success and note that the document has no reference to BIOCHAR, brother Ron's favorite goal. It does, however, advocate the development and deployment of BECCS -Carbon-Beneficial Biomass Energy plus Carbon Capture and Sequestration: "Any facility that combusts biomass
for electricity or converts biomass to fuel and captures resulting CO2 for utilization (e.g., enhanced oil recovery) or storage in
underground reservoirs.” <br class=""></div></div></blockquote><div><b class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>[RWL: Mt perception is that the BECCS technology, despite having received billions, is a lost cause.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;"> </span>The biochar growth rate puts BECCS to shame. Especially in China.</b></div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><br class="">When biomass stove designers come up with “storage in underground reservoirs” rather than just soil, perhaps CDM will grant them the credits they deserve. </div></div></blockquote><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span></div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><b class="">[RWL The odds of that are about the same as the sun coming up tomorrow in the West. <br class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span></b><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="">I am fortunately old enough to remember the late 1970s and early 1980s when irrational exuberance led IIASA to advocate uranium ore extraction from seawater to keep on fueling a breeder world. Other things that appear crazy in retrospect were also advocated.<br class=""></div></div></div></blockquote><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><b class="">[RWL: I remember Eugene Odum, world famous ecologist at the University of Georgia, saying that PV would never pay off its energy debt, because it cost $100/watt (in mid 70’s). Now under $1/watt and energy payback time under a year I believe. (wind payback now measured in months.</b></div><div><b class=""><br class=""></b></div><div><b class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>To Jock - I agree biochar is only one method of CDR. Can you name one that looks more promising or necessary?</b></div><div><b class=""><br class=""></b></div><div><b class="">Ron</b></div><div><b class=""><br class=""></b></div><div><b class=""><br class=""></b><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><br class="">The more the world changes... <br class=""><br class="">Nikhil <br class=""><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all" class=""><div class=""><div class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><span style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:12.8px" class=""><br class="">--------- </span></div><div style="font-size:12.8px" class=""><span style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:12.8px" class="">(India +91) 909 995 2080</span><font face="georgia, serif" class=""><br class=""><i class=""> </i></font></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jan 28, 2017 at 12:02 AM, Jock Gill <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:jock@jockgill.com" target="_blank" class="">jock@jockgill.com</a>></span> wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto" class=""><div class="">A interesting post. It fails, however, to address the issues of the imperative for CO2 drawdown. The pyrolysis of biomass provides one method of drawdown.</div><div id="gmail-m_-6425144639983634120AppleMailSignature" class=""><br class=""></div><div id="gmail-m_-6425144639983634120AppleMailSignature" class="">Regards,</div><div id="gmail-m_-6425144639983634120AppleMailSignature" class=""><br class=""></div><div id="gmail-m_-6425144639983634120AppleMailSignature" class="">Jock<br class=""><br class="">Sent from my iPhone</div><div class=""><div class="gmail-h5"><div class=""> </div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div>
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