<html><head></head><body lang="en-US" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); line-height: initial;"> <div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Dear CPP, Jock, Paul, et al,</div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">I think I gave my best response to your question in my next to last post to the list on the topic of CO2 drawdown (re Jock) which began with Occam's razor.</div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Specifically I think it is unseemly for Euro American stove scientists and unelected Foundations funded by very rich titans of industry and their political allies to be inserting indicators into stove performance tests which turn the stove into a technology which minimizes CO2 and black carbon production when there is no cultural consciousness, interest or recognized personal benefit to the stove buyer from reducing the stove users carbon footprint. </div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">The notion seems to be that if we monetize the benefit to the planetary ecosystem by giving a cost for each ton of CO2 buried in the ground which indirectly helps pay for the stove and also the stove NGOs - or through the sale of charcoal to nearby cooks using braziers - it seems to me we are on the verge of becoming delusional. </div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Why say that? Because of the fragility of the resulting financial instruments and the sheer complexity of the resulting carbon trading markets. There is little or no moral accountability by the managers of global carbon markets and funds and stove buyers in villages in India and Africa. It is a playground for for chancers and high living members of the lords of poverty. It does not empower the bottom up transformation of the local economy and the healing of the regional eco-system. It runs the risk of becoming another Tulip Mania <span style="font-size: initial; line-height: initial; text-align: initial;"> that is managed by computer monks in glass towers heated by coal and gas powered electricity generating plants. </span></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style="font-size: initial; line-height: initial; text-align: initial;"><br></span></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style="font-size: initial; line-height: initial; text-align: initial;">So my request is that we reduce the scale of our stove interventions down to an arena where the actors and agents are part of a moral community which can hold each other accountable to their agreements. Therefore it is a dangerous distraction to allow carbon taxes to be transferred from Cleveland Ohio to Timbuktoo to subsidize the importation of high quality TLUD or any other improved stoves manufactured in China and costing say $100 delivered to a family eeking out a bare living on a turn over of $2 to $5 a day. </span></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style="font-size: initial; line-height: initial; text-align: initial;"><br></span></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style="font-size: initial; line-height: initial; text-align: initial;">My work in the townships of Lusaka clearly indicated that very low income households can not save more than 10% of their daily income for more than a few weeks (about 2 weeks) so at a dollar a day a family will be able to save $1.50 to $7.50 in a two week time horizon. Zambians say saving is luck because any family crisis will wipe out a two week stash of savings.</span></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style="font-size: initial; line-height: initial; text-align: initial;"><br></span></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style="font-size: initial; line-height: initial; text-align: initial;">My advice to myself and others is to think and act locally to discover a stove that will be a viable and respected friend of the poorest households at the BoP. I advise us to smuggle radical new stove technologies into the traditional stove boidies, cultures of stove operation, cooking and fuels that dominate the local stove economy. So let's smuggle radical new stove technologies into the traditional biomass energy economy. Evolve the new stove in situ inside the shell of the old stove/fuel/operator/fabricator economy.</span></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style="font-size: initial; line-height: initial; text-align: initial;"><br></span></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style="font-size: initial; line-height: initial; text-align: initial;">That is all I have to say on how to innoivate break throughs in situ.</span></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style="font-size: initial; line-height: initial; text-align: initial;"><br></span></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style="font-size: initial; line-height: initial; text-align: initial;">In search and service,</span></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style="font-size: initial; line-height: initial; text-align: initial;"><br></span></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style="font-size: initial; line-height: initial; text-align: initial;">Cecil</span></div> <div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br></div> <div style="font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.</div> <table width="100%" style="background-color:white;border-spacing:0px;"> <tbody><tr><td colspan="2" style="font-size: initial; text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"> <div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); border-top-width: 1pt; padding: 3pt 0in 0in; font-family: Tahoma, 'BB Alpha Sans', 'Slate Pro'; font-size: 10pt;"> <div><b>From: </b>Crispin Pemberton-Pigott</div><div><b>Sent: </b>Saturday, February 4, 2017 7:48 PM</div><div><b>To: </b>Stoves</div><div><b>Reply To: </b>Discussion of biomass cooking stoves</div><div><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Stoves] CO2 drawdown (Re:Jock)</div></div></td></tr></tbody></table><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-color: rgb(186, 188, 209); border-top-width: 1pt; font-size: initial; text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"></div><br><div id="_originalContent" style="">
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<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Slate Pro';">Dear Cecil</span></div>
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<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Slate Pro';">How does the additional labour involved stack up against potential cash?</span></div>
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<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Slate Pro';">Jock posits, "</span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Slate Pro'; font-size: initial; text-align: initial; line-height: initial;">If you are living in $2 per day, if making charcoal
could double your income, and maybe even improve your kitchen garden..."</span></div>
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<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Slate Pro'; font-size: initial; line-height: initial; text-align: initial;">People living on $2 a day get a great deal on their livelihood from the local environment. What is the opportunity cost of the time taken
to prepare fuel, load a batch burner, extinguish the char, do something agricultural with it like preparing balls of it to dose fertilise plants?</span></div>
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<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Slate Pro'; font-size: initial; line-height: initial; text-align: initial;">In a $2 a day economy a little charcoal isn't much even if you sell it as fuel. </span></div>
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<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Slate Pro'; font-size: initial; line-height: initial; text-align: initial;">From what I understand from Jock, the motivation is to repair a busted climate, everyone should do their part. I can't see how that char
can ever have a value of say $1 if the opportunity cost is time that could be spent doing something else. 'using it' is also part of that opportunity cost. </span></div>
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<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Slate Pro'; font-size: initial; line-height: initial; text-align: initial;">Jock points out it is not economically viable (yet). Maybe the analysis by the cook Will not be economic but gain/expense of time. People
with a cash income of $2 per day don't usually live on that income, they live by investment of time. </span></div>
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