<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Dear Crispin and All,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The WBT used exact sized, dry and consistent wood type for the testing to establish the best gaps, insulation, height and etc. measuring performance of energy entering a pot of water. All controls in place for conducting such tests. As for the thermodynamic calculations they were all the same being established from books and all giving 6% hydrogen - so basically just a formality. Just for fun calculations. That does not work in the real world where biomass is in all kinds of decay and types. All different shapes and varying moistures, ash, volatiles etc.. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Energy efficiency values mean little unless there is a linear response and that unlikely with these little combustion chambers. All we care about is being able to predict, based on a biomass analysis, as to how a stove will work using local fuel. The biomass analysis needs be determined and what is meant as to ‘how well a stove works' need be determined. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The attempt to put (force) thermodynamics into all this has been unsuccessful and resulted in many wasted years. And continues to do so. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Regards</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Frank</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Feb 14, 2017, at 6:10 PM, Crispin Pemberton-Pigott <<a href="mailto:crispinpigott@outlook.com" class="">crispinpigott@outlook.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: initial; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); width: 1005px; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Dear Tom and All</div><div style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: initial; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); width: 1005px; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: initial; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); width: 1005px; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">I challenge the idea that the WBT (not all water boiling, just that protocol) is valuable as a design and development tool. </div><div style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: initial; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); width: 1005px; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: initial; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); width: 1005px; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">The simple fact is that the WBT gives uncertain and incorrect measures of performance. Using the Indian, Chinese or SeTAR efficiency test (v1.57) will provide a much more accurate and consistent evaluation. </div><div style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: initial; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); width: 1005px; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: initial; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); width: 1005px; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">It is unfortunate that the WBT still clings to life as a 'development tool'. The high power metrics are misleading and the low power metrics are scientifically worthless. A much-repeated and incorrect claim is that 'if a stoves performs well on the WBT it will generally performs well in the field'. Another shibboleth is that if a stove doesn't perform well 'in the lab' (hinting that it will be a WBT) it 'will generally not perform well in the field'. </div><div style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: initial; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); width: 1005px; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: initial; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); width: 1005px; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">What one would normally call 'proof' of these twin claims is missing. I take it as an admission that the WBT is not useful for performance rating. I already know it is not useful for product development. It is not useful for sorting out what might do well in real life from that which will not. </div><div style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: initial; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); width: 1005px; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: initial; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); width: 1005px; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">There are obviously significant implications for this. The obvious first step is that it should not be a requirement that any stove perform 'well' on its metrics in order to be considered for a subsidised improved stove programme. </div><div style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: initial; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); width: 1005px; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: initial; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); width: 1005px; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Regards </div><div style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: initial; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); width: 1005px; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Crispin </div><div style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: initial; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); width: 1005px; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: initial; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); width: 1005px; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><br class=""></div><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="color: windowtext;" class="">Xavier,</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="color: windowtext;" class="">The donors and participants in GACC who I talked with at ETHOS regard the WBT as a useful tool for stove development but question its use for comparing stove performance in use. A recent study in Germany was cited where WBT tests were different from different labs. There was also a lot of discussion from the GACC working group leaders and participants about the need for contextual evaluation. A detailed approach to contextual evaluation was presented by GIZ which refleted much of what has been discussed here. It was also stated in the WG4 summary that options and exceptions are being delineated. What’s missing here is a clear understanding of what is actually being discussed about WBT, where, and for what purpose. The fears and concerns of negative impacts from WBT tests were clearly stated by various speaker. It was also discussed that Tiers may not necessarily be relevant to the needs of a community. You might select a lower tier stove to meet those needs. Who on this list are participants in the working groups? </span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="color: windowtext;" class="">Tom<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></p><div style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="color: windowtext;" class=""> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><a name="_MailEndCompose" class=""><span style="color: windowtext;" class=""> </span></a></p><span class=""></span><div class=""><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); border-top-width: 1pt; padding: 3pt 0in 0in;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="color: windowtext;" class="">From:</span></b><span style="color: windowtext;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Stoves [<a href="mailto:stoves-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org" style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline;" class="">mailto:stoves-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Xavier Brandao<br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday, February 14, 2017 11:11 AM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Discussion of biomass cooking stoves <<a href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline;" class="">stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>>;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:franke@cruzio.com" style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline;" class="">franke@cruzio.com</a><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>SPAM: Re: [Stoves] Advocacy action: ask the GACC to stop promoting the WBT</span></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Dear Frank,<br class=""><br class=""></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><i class="">"the WBT is only an outline for tests that need be done"</i></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Why do an outline when we can do (good) tests instead?</p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Additionally to these 3 problems you mentioned, you have to add the other ones I quoted previously, some mentioned in Fabio and Francesco's study. See below.<br class="">It's not looking too good for me. Sometimes getting something new is much faster and surer than fixing something broken.<br class="">I know that a lot of effort from many people went into "fixing" the WBT. But maybe it is beyond fixing. Maybe these are sunk costs.</p><ul type="disc" style="margin-bottom: 0in;" class=""><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">the WBT is not contextual, as Crispin highlighted many times</li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">several WBT metrics are invalid, as Crispin highlighted many times</li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">there are big thermodynamic uncertainties (viz. variable steam production and boiling point determination)</li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">there are questions about the rationale of some calculations, questions raised by Zhang et al.</li></ul><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">We have been talking about the WBT for a few weeks already (not counting the years prior to that), and all these questions haven't been answered.</p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">All, for more details about these questions, please find the links to all the studies I mentioned:</p><ul type="disc" style="margin-bottom: 0in;" class=""><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Fuzzy interval propagation of uncertainties in experimental analysis for improved and traditional three–stone fire cookstoves<br class=""><a href="https://www.researchgate.net/publication/308898807_Fuzzy_interval_propagation_of_uncertainties_in_experimental_analysis_for_improved_and_traditional_three_-_Stone_fire_cookstoves" style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://www.researchgate.net/publication/308898807_Fuzzy_interval_propagation_of_uncertainties_in_experimental_analysis_for_improved_and_traditional_three_-_Stone_fire_cookstoves</a></li></ul><ul type="disc" style="margin-bottom: 0in;" class=""><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Key differences of performance test protocols for household biomass cookstoves. Twenty-Second Domestic Use of Energy, IEEE 2014:1–11.<br class=""><a href="http://energyuse.org.za/document-archive/" style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline;" class="">http://energyuse.org.za/document-archive/</a></li></ul><p class="MsoNormalCxSpMiddle" style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;">To access the file, select DUE [Domestic Use of energy COnference]. Select DUE 2014. Select PROCEEDINGS. Select paper by Zhang etal (PDFs arranged alphabetically).</p><ul type="disc" style="margin-bottom: 0in;" class=""><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Performance testing for monitoring improved biomass stove interventions: experiences of the Household Energy and Health Project. Energy Sustainable Dev 2007;11:57–70.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><a href="http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.461.783&rep=rep1&type=pdf" style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline;" class="">http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.461.783&rep=rep1&type=pdf</a></li></ul><ul type="disc" style="margin-bottom: 0in;" class=""><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">The shortcomings of the U.S. protocol<br class=""><a href="http://lib.dr.iastate.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1534&context=etd" style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline;" class="">http://lib.dr.iastate.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1534&context=etd</a></li></ul><ul type="disc" style="margin-bottom: 0in;" class=""><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Influence of testing parameters on biomass stove performance and development of an improved testing protocol<br class=""><a href="https://envirofit.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/2012-influence-of-testing-parameters.pdf" style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://envirofit.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/2012-influence-of-testing-parameters.pdf</a></li></ul><ul type="disc" style="margin-bottom: 0in;" class=""><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">How many replicate tests are needed to test cookstove performance and emissions? — Three is not always adequate.<br class=""><a href="http://gadgillab.berkeley.edu/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/D-13-00075-Wang-et-al._final.pdf" style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline;" class="">http://gadgillab.berkeley.edu/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/D-13-00075-Wang-et-al._final.pdf</a></li></ul><ul type="disc" style="margin-bottom: 0in;" class=""><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Systematic and conceptual errors in standards and protocols for thermal performance of biomass stoves<br class=""><a href="https://www.researchgate.net/publication/309689616_Systematic_and_conceptual_errors_in_standards_and_protocols_for_thermal_performance_of_biomass_stoves" style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://www.researchgate.net/publication/309689616_Systematic_and_conceptual_errors_in_standards_and_protocols_for_thermal_performance_of_biomass_stoves</a></li></ul><ul type="disc" style="margin-bottom: 0in;" class=""><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Quality assurance for cookstoves testing centers: calculation of expanded uncertainty for WBT<br class=""><a href="http://www.newdawnengineering.com/website/library/Stove%20Testing/Testing%20Protocols/American%20WBT,%20CCT,%20KPT/2014%20March%20WBT%204.2.x%20Uncertainty,%20Gorrity,%20M.pdf" style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline;" class="">http://www.newdawnengineering.com/website/library/Stove%20Testing/Testing%20Protocols/American%20WBT,%20CCT,%20KPT/2014%20March%20WBT%204.2.x%20Uncertainty,%20Gorrity,%20M.pdf</a></li></ul><ul type="disc" style="margin-bottom: 0in;" class=""><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Key factors of thermal efficiency test protocols<br class=""><a href="http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.1000.3936&rep=rep1&type=pdf" style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline;" class="">http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.1000.3936&rep=rep1&type=pdf</a></li></ul><ul type="disc" style="margin-bottom: 0in;" class=""><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Towards a standard for clean solid-fuelled cookstoves</li></ul><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://www.researchgate.net/publication/274706950_Towards_a_standard_for_clean_solid-fuelled_cookstoves" style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://www.researchgate.net/publication/274706950_Towards_a_standard_for_clean_solid-fuelled_cookstoves</a><br class=""><br class="">Looking forward to your comments!<br class=""><br class="">Best,<br class=""><br class="">Xavier</p><div style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt; 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