<html><head></head><body lang="en-US" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); line-height: initial;"> <div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Nikhil.....Great line! 19th century stoves in the 21st century. The challenge of small stove "science" in the 19th century was very different from the challenge of science in the age of highly politically unstable digitally amplified complexity. </div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">In 21st century America science is loosing it's innocence and it's aura of transcendent objectivity. ..... and the community of scientists is also being forced to give up the strangely outdated idea that science has the independence, good will, and creativity it needs to fix the moral short comings of human beings and a decadent and culturally exhausted post industrial and pre-global civilization. </div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">The short comings of the stove community are deficiencies in basic human virtues which are fundamentally undermining an exhausted and rigid civilization in which science is a major player. Both stove "science" and a fledgling system of world governance and bridges of trust among scientists are prerequisites for the warring factions - the unreconciled complexity of the tiny community of stovers - to break through to more fruitful patterns of cooperation and "synergy". </div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">It is in the middle of these conflictful factions and fault lines that stove science is challenged to unify the major players around the innovation and delivery of improved, affordable and locally sourced stoves where the primary indicator of success is the transfer of improved stoves to low income families at the BOP.</div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">The difficulties now experienced by small stove activists and scientists as we struggle to agree on how to unify, converse civilly, and construct new and more sophisticated interfaces between stove hardware and cultural software are in point of fact being repeated over and over again in many other areas of technological and socio-cultural change. </div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">So I vote in favor of a strategy of proceeding "slowly slowly" so that we bring as many of the bitter enders and stragglers as possible along in the big boat. I am also in favor of getting stovers to be more up front about their professional and financial interests in particular stoves as owners or consultants and how "their" stoves perform in stove competitions and assessments. </div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">It is unrealistic for stove scientists who are proponents of particular kinds of stoves - rocket, TLUD. Cross Flow coal burners, BLDD, fan assisted wood pellet burning stoves, Char producing stoves, etc - to be asked to function as neutral judges of stove performance. Biased stove advocates and stove missionaries shold recuse themselves from participation in evaluating competing stoves, </div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Are we not honor bound to create an objective stove performance methodology that allows us to identify the best two or three improved stoves for particular market segments and ethnically defined communities of stove users. Surely as stovers committed to use the physical, natural, cultural and socio-economic sciences to identify the best performing subset of improved stoves, the various role players have to first off agree on the indicators and procedures they will use to include or exclude improved stoves for public subsidies and other tender benefits.</div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">So, here is my bias: I want to create nearby local opportunities for the stove designers, fabricators, marketers, and buyers/users to negotiate directly about how to assess stove performance and in fact measure improvement in stove use and the cooking experience. It seems that stove science has become "alienated" from the people - the stove users of the world - they are honor bound to serve. </div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">We are creating a more inclusice meta-culture - a platform or matrix of linkages connecting the different actors and constituencies - or "interested parties" - comitted to gradually strengthening the agreements, attitudes and disciplines by which the multiple dimensions of small stove performances are objectively assessed and reported on to gov't, manufacturers, funding agents, consumer action groups. <span style="font-size: initial; line-height: initial; text-align: initial;"></span></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">We have too much stove partisanship, top down science and not enough advocacy for the interests of stove users and cooks, local fabricators, fuel suppliers, marketers from the bottom up! 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I am going to quote two lines from this letter at my press briefing in Ulaanbaatar on Friday. I am going to spend a day with six or eight journos after that.
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It the climate never changed again, the poor would suffer in minus forty-five degree Ulaanbaatar. </div>
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<div><b>From: </b>Nikhil Desai</div>
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>From what I can tell, his were procedural charges and the counterclaim is that the temperature trends have been confirmed by two other sources. <br>
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To mess with climate data for less than 50 years - and focusing only on surface temperatures, land and ocean, without adjustment for local ecosystem changes that have affected regional climates, without adjustments for regional monsoon cycles - says nothing
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More people live with 19th Century stoves than did in 19th Century. (Kirk may have got that 2011 line from me!) <br>
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