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Dear Iwan,<br>
<br>
My questions are in my original message (below). The other three
have also made contact and a response has been assured for next
week. <br>
<br>
What was accomplished in Indonesia is very encouraging. And also
shows that additional solutions can be considered. My main comment
is that the higher priced clean stoves were excluded in the
Indonesis RBF program, but could be quite important parts of the
solutions in other circumstances, such as when there are carbon
credits to help finance the efforts.<br>
<br>
Would you please write to us (the Stoves Listserv) about your
thoughts and role as a "Biomass Energy Promotion Practitioner".
And include the scope of your efforts and what needs to be done with
such work. Personally I am especially interested in your thoughts
about<br>
<br>
1. TLUD and other micro-gasifier stoves. <br>
2. The role of LPG in light of the massive subsidies needed to
attain and maintain LPG stoves/fuel for impoverished households.
The presentation you made says (slide 3):<br>
<blockquote type="cite">. Cost to national budget of 3 kg LPG
subsidy is not trivial anymore: Was IDR 48 Trillion (~ USD 3.2
Billion) in 2014, or half of electricity subsidies and close to
0.5% GDP . <br>
</blockquote>
And that is based on about 60 million LPG stove/cylinder free
distribution to poor households. [And there are still many
millions of households with bad or mediocre ICS stoves.]<br>
<br>
How long can that LPG assistance last? The words "sustainable" and
"renewable" do not appear with the discussions about LPG.
(Comments from others are also welcome.)<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
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<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
Email: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>
Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072
Website: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.drtlud.com">www.drtlud.com</a></pre>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/23/2017 8:00 PM, Y. Iwan BASKORO
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<div dir="auto">hi Paul,
<div dir="auto">I am here in the list.</div>
<div dir="auto">What can I do for you?</div>
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<div dir="auto">best,</div>
<div dir="auto">iwan baskoro</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Feb 23, 2017 8:37 PM, "Paul
Anderson" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>>
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> Stovers,<br>
<br>
I am trying to reach each of the men named below: Zhang,
Durix, Baskoro and Dong. associated with a recent
(undated, but probably late-2016) conference presentation:<br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">TOWARD UNIVERSAL ACCESS TO CLEAN
COOKING<br>
INDONESIA CLEAN STOVE INITIATIVE<br>
Prepared by<br>
Yabei ZHANG (Task Team Leader)<br>
&<br>
Laurent DURIX (Co-Task Team Leader)<br>
Presented by<br>
Yohanes Iwan Baskoro<br>
Biomass Energy Promotion Practitioner<br>
at 2016 Forum of Renewable Energy Promotion in
Developing Countries<br>
Beijing, People’s Republic of China</blockquote>
The chairman of the Forum was Dr.<font size="-1"> Renjie
Dong</font><br>
<br>
This is an extremely interesting and valuable 27-slide
PowerPoint presentation that I read last night. I am
trying to determine the following:<br>
<br>
1. Is this presentation available on the Internet? Will
it be, by whom? <br>
2. If not available, can I have permission to place it at
one of my websites and announce its availability?<br>
<br>
3. What are the email contacts for these men? <br>
4. Who has access to the data / results that are
summarized in the presentation? Especially, who has
control of the results of the testing of the thirty stoves
(out of over 50 stoves submitted) that are reported in
slides 18 to 22?<br>
<br>
5. Of the 30 stoves tested, 14 are shown with results on
slide 19. 16 others were not reported.<br>
<br>
6. In particular, on slide 22, is the following:<br>
"The cleanest and most efficient stoves could not be made
available [in Indonesia's RBF - Results Based Financing -
incentive program] (too expensive for international and
production issues for the Indonesians [stoves])"<br>
<br>
7. In my opinion, this is extremely valuable data, paid
for by the World Bank and others, that have not been
released, not even (as far as I can determine) to the
companies that had a stove in that group of 16. That
data should be released, at least to the companies that
submitted stoves. <br>
<br>
8. Note: On slide 19 showing the 14 included stoves, the
price range is from ~US$ 8.50 (two stoves) to ~US$ 17
(five stoves). Clearly, any stove costing more than
US$20 was virtually excluded, regardless of its
performance. For many of those "international stoves",
merely the shipping costs could have made them
non-competitive in the Indonesia program. NOTE: This is
NOT a criticism of the Indonesian efforts, which actually
should be highly commended.<br>
<br>
9. And now as of 2016, we know from the Deganga Case
Study ( <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://drtlud.com/deganga2016" target="_blank">drtlud.com/deganga2016</a>
) that a TLUD stove that costs US$32 at the factory in
India (no international shipping charges in this case) can
actually be sold to many thousands of people for only $15
in projects with carbon credit assistance. With carbon
credit assistance, that stove could have been a major
participant in the Indonesia efforts, and could have begun
production in Indonesia by now. Lost opportunities.<br>
<br>
So, please help me get the cited presentation available
for all of you to read, and to have clear contact with the
people in Indonesia who can provide the requested data.<br>
<br>
By the way, the presentation also has extremely
interesting information about Indonesia's LPG stove
project with 54 million (by 2012, so now maybe 60+
million) packages of stove and LPG cylinder distributed
for free.<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
<pre class="m_-378794266262964518moz-signature" cols="72">--
Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
Email: <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="m_-378794266262964518moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu" target="_blank">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>
Skype: paultlud Phone: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="tel:%28309%29%20452-7072" value="+13094527072" target="_blank">+1-309-452-7072</a>
Website: <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="m_-378794266262964518moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.drtlud.com" target="_blank">www.drtlud.com</a></pre>
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