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Dear Laurent,<br>
<br>
So good to hear from you. Next week will be fine for a full
reply.<br>
<br>
Today I was not successful in log-in to the website. But from my
recollection, the test results were provided only for the 14 stoves
that were accepted for the RBF project. I hope that I am
incorrect, or that you and your co-workers can soon provide the
results of all of the 30 stoves.<br>
<br>
Until next week,<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
<br>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
Email: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>
Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072
Website: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.drtlud.com">www.drtlud.com</a></pre>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/23/2017 10:46 AM, Laurent Durix
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Dear
Paul,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">You
have reached us.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Thank
you for your interest in the results from the Indonesia
Cleans Stove Initiative (CSI) Pilot and thanks to Iwan
Baskoro for bringing it to the attention of a wider network
of people.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Yabei
Zhang (a lady by the way) is on mission until next week and
I would prefer to have a quick chat with her and Iwan
Baskoro before answering in further details the very
relevant questions you asked. Overall the Indonesia CSI is a
joint work between the Government of Indonesia and the World
Bank with close involvement from two NGOs, international
GERES and local YDD (Yayasan Dian Desa).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Most
of the information is meant to be public; more specifically
the list of eligible stoves and their test results (and the
related test protocol) are posted here on the Indonesia
Stove Alliance website:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.tungkuindonesia.org/en/index.html">http://www.tungkuindonesia.org/en/index.html</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">The
CSI Pilot has recently ended and we are in the process of
aggregating the results and lessons learnt, which partly
explains why the information is not yet fully packaged for
broad dissemination.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">We
will get back to you on points 4 to 9 next week as noted
earlier, we need to verify a few things before doing so.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Best
regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Laurent
Durix<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Bcc.
Yabei Zhang, Iwan Baskoro<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">
Paul Anderson [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 23, 2017 8:36 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Laurent Durix <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ldurix@worldbank.org"><ldurix@worldbank.org></a>;
Stoves and biofuels network
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:Stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org"><Stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Please help locate people<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Stovers,<br>
<br>
I am trying to reach each of the men named below: Zhang,
Durix, Baskoro and Dong. associated with a recent (undated,
but probably late-2016) conference presentation:<br>
<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">TOWARD UNIVERSAL ACCESS TO CLEAN COOKING<br>
INDONESIA CLEAN STOVE INITIATIVE<br>
Prepared by<br>
Yabei ZHANG (Task Team Leader)<br>
&<br>
Laurent DURIX (Co-Task Team Leader)<br>
Presented by<br>
Yohanes Iwan Baskoro<br>
Biomass Energy Promotion Practitioner<br>
at 2016 Forum of Renewable Energy Promotion in Developing
Countries<br>
Beijing, People’s Republic of China<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The chairman of the Forum was Dr.<span
style="font-size:10.0pt"> Renjie Dong</span><br>
<br>
This is an extremely interesting and valuable 27-slide
PowerPoint presentation that I read last night. I am trying
to determine the following:<br>
<br>
1. Is this presentation available on the Internet? Will it
be, by whom? <br>
2. If not available, can I have permission to place it at one
of my websites and announce its availability?<br>
<br>
3. What are the email contacts for these men? <br>
4. Who has access to the data / results that are summarized
in the presentation? Especially, who has control of the
results of the testing of the thirty stoves (out of over 50
stoves submitted) that are reported in slides 18 to 22?<br>
<br>
5. Of the 30 stoves tested, 14 are shown with results on
slide 19. 16 others were not reported.<br>
<br>
6. In particular, on slide 22, is the following:<br>
"The cleanest and most efficient stoves could not be made
available [in Indonesia's RBF - Results Based Financing -
incentive program] (too expensive for international and
production issues for the Indonesians [stoves])"<br>
<br>
7. In my opinion, this is extremely valuable data, paid for
by the World Bank and others, that have not been released, not
even (as far as I can determine) to the companies that had a
stove in that group of 16. That data should be released, at
least to the companies that submitted stoves. <br>
<br>
8. Note: On slide 19 showing the 14 included stoves, the
price range is from ~US$ 8.50 (two stoves) to ~US$ 17 (five
stoves). Clearly, any stove costing more than US$20 was
virtually excluded, regardless of its performance. For many
of those "international stoves", merely the shipping costs
could have made them non-competitive in the Indonesia
program. NOTE: This is NOT a criticism of the Indonesian
efforts, which actually should be highly commended.<br>
<br>
9. And now as of 2016, we know from the Deganga Case Study (
drtlud.com/deganga2016 ) that a TLUD stove that costs US$32 at
the factory in India (no international shipping charges in
this case) can actually be sold to many thousands of people
for only $15 in projects with carbon credit assistance. With
carbon credit assistance, that stove could have been a major
participant in the Indonesia efforts, and could have begun
production in Indonesia by now. Lost opportunities.<br>
<br>
So, please help me get the cited presentation available for
all of you to read, and to have clear contact with the people
in Indonesia who can provide the requested data.<br>
<br>
By the way, the presentation also has extremely interesting
information about Indonesia's LPG stove project with 54
million (by 2012, so now maybe 60+ million) packages of stove
and LPG cylinder distributed for free.<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
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<pre>Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Email: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Website: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.drtlud.com">www.drtlud.com</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
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