<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div><div><div><div>Hello Paul;<br><br></div>I appreciate your concern about keeping the TLUDs running all year long.   We will think about that.  It would be nice to have larger demonstrations.  There is also a demand for biochar from University researchers.<br><br></div>However, a concern I have from a research point of view, that supplying extra wood creates an artificial condition of using wood in the dry season when it would not ordinarily be used.  That would likely bias our evaluation of user acceptance and impact.  One question that is important to know is whether people who have a TLUD, and can use the biochar, purchase more wood than they have in previous years.  If that happens to a large extent, it raises a red flag.  It could mean that families that can take best advantage of a TLUD and biochar will consume more wood,  lowering the supply, and driving up the price.  That could put families that can't take full advantage of a TLUD and biochar at a disadvantage; the general quality of their fuel would decline.  When assessing the impact of cookstove intervention, we should look for good and bad consequences, especially unexpected, unintended consequences.  If their are problems, we need to find them early, so we can respond, and minimize any harm.<br><br></div>My preference is to put a big effort into trying to density loose biomass such as leaves.  In the long term, we need to test the viability of commercial compressed biomass fuel.<br><br></div>I will raise these points with Mahbubul.<br><br></div>Thanks again for your comments.<br><br></div>Cheers,<br></div>Julien.<br><div><div><div><div><br><br></div></div></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 4:21 PM, Paul Anderson <a href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a> [biochar] <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:biochar@yahoogroups.com" target="_blank">biochar@yahoogroups.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">


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    I raise only one variation about what you wrote:<br>
    </span></p><blockquote type="cite">We can't use more wood or bamboo, because it
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    My comment was ONLY in regard to getting wood for the 100 initial
    stoves so that there is not a shutdown of biochar production for 6
    months, and a stopping of use of the stoves.   I am not advocating
    deforestation.   Just the obtaining of wood fuel for the initial
    stoves.   <br>
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    Analogous example:  Researchers on pot-trials of  biochar (or many
    agricultural small scale experiments) in cold-winter climates
    continue their plant growing in heated greenhouses.  Shutting down
    for 6 months is not a good use of human and infrastructure
    resources.  And your very few Akha TLUD stoves need research about
    longevity and many other issues, as well as the need for more
    biochar.   Using those few stoves all year round would seem
    justified.<br>
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    Paul<br>
    <pre class="m_247559594117109472moz-signature" cols="72">Doc  /  Dr TLUD  /  Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
Email:  <a class="m_247559594117109472moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu" target="_blank">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>
Skype:   paultlud    Phone: <a href="tel:(309)%20452-7072" value="+13094527072" target="_blank">+1-309-452-7072</a>
Website:  <a class="m_247559594117109472moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.drtlud.com" target="_blank">www.drtlud.com</a></pre><div><div class="h5">
    <div class="m_247559594117109472moz-cite-prefix">On 3/8/2017 10:41 AM, Julien Winter
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                          <div>Thanks to Paul for the suggestions;<br>
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                        We can't use more wood or bamboo, because it
                        doesn't exist.  The last number I saw was that
                        the forest cover in Bangladesh is 15-17%.  Most
                        of the forest is not were the people live, but
                        in the coastal areas, especially the protected <span class="m_247559594117109472gmail-st">Sunderbans, and the
                          Chittagong Hill Tracts in the S.E.   The
                          Government of Bangladesh has been putting a
                          big effort into reforestation for decades, but
                          fights an uphill battle with the demand for
                          wood for building and fuel.  Interestingly,
                          the most productive forests are in peoples
                          homesteads and farms.<br>
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                      <span class="m_247559594117109472gmail-st">We are exploring the
                        possibility of commercial pelleted fuel. 
                        Although commercial fuels like LPG are
                        expensive, nobody has made biochar from LPG. 
                        The benefits from biochar will make a big
                        difference to the affordability of commercial
                        fuel pellets.  Where pellets are economically
                        viable, they will make a huge difference to
                        women's lives, by removing most of the drudgery
                        from cooking, and exposure to smoke.  Women will
                        have much more free time.  LPG is not
                        Planet-friendly.  <br>
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                    <span class="m_247559594117109472gmail-st">Thanks for the suggestion for
                      donations.  That would be helpful, if an account
                      could be set up in Bangladesh to cover the cost of
                      experimental materials.  At the initial stages of
                      the Akha TLUD Biochar Project, funding for
                      research on TLUD and fuels would be very helpful. 
                      The project has funding for an exploratory
                      deployment of Akha stoves, but there is no funding
                      for exploratory research into other options.  What
                      might work well is to identify an innovation that
                      should be investigated, then see if some donations
                      can be found to buy the necessary materials.  <br>
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                  <span class="m_247559594117109472gmail-st">Does anyone have experience
                    with bitcoins?  There is a problem of getting money
                    into the hands of people in distant countries
                    without banks and governments taking a cut.  Usually
                    it is about 20% of the transferred cash.  The last
                    time I transferred $CND to Taka, the money had to be
                    converted to $USD first, and was handled by three
                    different banks, all taking a slice of the pie.  In
                    addition, authorities in Bangladesh had to be
                    convinced that the money was not being used to fund
                    terrorism (a handful of religious extremists are
                    causing some misery for a few atheists bloggers and
                    secular academics).<br>
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                <div><span class="m_247559594117109472gmail-st">The Akha TLUD - Biochar
                    Project has three years funding from
                    ICCO-Netherlands given to the Christian Commission
                    for Development in Bangladesh (Dhaka) for
                    exploratory deployment of the Akha and biochar. 
                    This may get as many as 200 Akhas into homes.  We
                    are gathering data on user acceptance of the
                    technologies.  This data will be crucial evidence to
                    justify the expansion of the project.  If we observe
                    and document an enthusiastic reception of biochar,
                    we can make a case for carbon-credit financing. 
                    Also, we must not forget that the scientists and
                    policy makers in the Government of Bangladesh must
                    be convinced that TLUDs and biochar are beneficial
                    and not harmful.<br>
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                <span class="m_247559594117109472gmail-st">At the moment, I am writing
                  applications to the Canadian Government to fund
                  research.  In the past I have been unsuccessful, but
                  in the last year, we have changed from a Conservative
                  to a Liberal government, and the attitude towards
                  international development is now more favorable.  We
                  are also in a stronger position now that the Akha is
                  beginning to demonstrate its viability.<br>
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              <span class="m_247559594117109472gmail-st">If I am successful at getting
                funding from the Canadian Government, then private
                donations would be better sent to other needy cookstove
                development programs.  I have argued before on "Stoves"
                that there should be an investment in building up the
                capability of regional stove developers around the
                World.  Give them training on the fundamentals of
                combustion, some basic measurement tools, and funding
                for supplies.  Adapting technology to local conditions
                will help to maintain regional self-sufficiency in the
                basic human activity of cooking.  That would be a really
                good investment.<br>
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            <div><span class="m_247559594117109472gmail-st">Where we could use volunteer
                effort for stove programs in setting-up and managing
                crowd-source funding.<br>
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            <div><span class="m_247559594117109472gmail-st"><br>
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            <span class="m_247559594117109472gmail-st">Thanks again for all the suggestions.<br>
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          <div><span class="m_247559594117109472gmail-st">Just a side note:  Listening to
              CBC Radio this morning, I heard that local involvement vs.
              corporate imposition of technology makes a big difference
              to public acceptance.  Windmills to generate electricity
              are unpopular in Ontario where they are owned by large
              companies, but in Nova Scotia, windmills are popular
              because the local population has the opportunity to become
              share-holders.  More information can be found hear:<br>
              <a href="http://www.cbc.ca/news/nova-scotia-ontario-wind-farms-1.4010653" target="_blank">http://www.cbc.ca/news/nova-<wbr>scotia-ontario-wind-farms-1.<wbr>4010653</a><br>
              <a href="http://www.ssc.uwo.ca/news/2017/public_opinion_wind_energy_project.html" target="_blank">http://www.ssc.uwo.ca/news/<wbr>2017/public_opinion_wind_<wbr>energy_project.html</a><br>
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          <div><span class="m_247559594117109472gmail-st">In my neighborhood we have a
              community solar power corporation that installs solar
              panels on local buildings.<br>
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          <div><span class="m_247559594117109472gmail-st"><br>
              The Akha TLUD - Biochar Project has similarities, in
              trying to develop a stove that maximizes local
              livelihoods. The closer one can get to having a stove made
              by a householder the better; then it would become a new
              'traditional stove'.   However, a village stove-maker
              would be good enough.<br>
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          <span class="m_247559594117109472gmail-st">Cheers,<br>
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