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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Paul,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Richard Stanley’s holey briquettes, or making leaf cakes, serve a particular need. The concept can be used in other ways. Pulping straw before densifying it reduces power and wear. (There is science behind that which I won’t detail here.) Pellets are made this way in India and elsewhere. Cubes or briquettes can also be made this way. This is all mechanical equipment that needs to be suited to the scale and capabilities. In most cases you wouldn’t consider rebuilding dies every 20 hours but it apparently works in the right circumstance. A lot more can be, and has been, done on small scale densification. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Tom<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><a name="_MailEndCompose"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></a></p><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose'></span><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> biochar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:biochar@yahoogroups.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 08, 2017 5:29 AM<br><b>To:</b> Discussion of biomass cooking stoves <stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org>; biochar@yahoogroups.com; Mahbubul Islam - Bangladesh with Julien W <mailccdb@gmail.com>; Julien Winter <winter.julien@gmail.com><br><b>Subject:</b> [biochar] Re: [Stoves] The Akha TLUD - Biochar Project in Bangladesh.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div id=ygrp-mlmsg><div id=ygrp-msg><div id=ygrp-text><p style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Michael, Julien and all,<br><br>On 3/8/2017 12:09 AM, Michael N Trevor wrote:<br>"Sounds like they need to follow up on Richard Stanleys briquettes from biomass Legacy Foundation"<br><br>I like Richard's (and others) briquettes and methods, but not for this Bangaldesh effort.<br><br>I disagree about the appropriateness of low density biomass briquettes in the Akha TLUD. The fuel chamber of the Akha (and many TLUDs that use woody fuels) is rather small for the low density briquettes, resulting in<u> quite short</u> operational times for the pyrolysis in those TLUDs. <br><br>With fewer than 100 Akha units made and in operation, this would not be a good time for Mahbubul to start work on TWO new efforts: a larger Akha stove and making low density briquettes.<br><br>About making high density pellets / pucks, that would be ONE new effort, and that also would divert their efforts from their two objectives, which are the biochar for agriculture and the current-size of Akha TLUD that is finding acceptance.<br><br>Everyone should note that the Akha TLUD is already blazing new trails on two issues which are both quite important and will benefit from more usage and analysis: <br><br>1. Significant parts of the Akha are made of "non-metal" materials (whether clay ceramic or cement mixes or someday something else). Awesome!!<br><br>2. The "fixed position" Akha is not easily moved. So the removal of the char at the end of pyrolysis is via a trap door of metal. Wonderful!!!<br><br>Therfore, my recommendation is to bear the extra expense of purchasing the more expensive wood fuel throughout the whole year. Put the efforts into the known fuel, such as fuel drying in the rainy season and encouraging the growing of woody fuel crops, especially bamboo, a known excellent TLUD fuel.<br><br>Speaking financially, it should (I expect) be easier to get some donations from biochar enthusiasts and others for the work with woody fuels than it would be to get funding for pelletizer equipment (and skilled operators and energy supply, etc) or for making a new size Akha TLUD or for equipment and time for having a low density briquette operation that would be focused on solving a half-year problem (fuel supply for 6 months).<br><br>Let me make the above into a suggestion that people might want to consider some donations to the Akha TLUD stove efforts in Bangladesh. If so, you should write directly to Dr. Julien Winter <a href="mailto:winter.julien@gmail.com">winter.julien@gmail.com</a> who is in Canada. (He did NOT ask me to make this suggestion.)<br><br>Note: This current email message will be at the EPosts section of my website <a href="http://www.drtlud.com">www.drtlud.com</a> where you can also see the two-page document about the Akha TLUD stove and biochar efforts at: <a href="http://www.drtlud.com/?resource=prt17200">http://www.drtlud.com/?resource=prt17200</a><br><br>[[[ The EPosts section is for my selection of BOTH biochar and TLUD messages that are easily accessible for those who do not subscribe to the Stoves or Biochar listservs. EPosts are sort of my one-way "blog," with no comments from readers. All comments are to the listservs or to me directly. ]]]<br><br>Paul<o:p></o:p></p><pre>Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Email: <a href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Website: <a href="http://www.drtlud.com">www.drtlud.com</a><o:p></o:p></pre><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 3/8/2017 12:09 AM, Michael N Trevor wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>Sounds like they need to follow up on Richard Stanleys briquettes from biomass Legacy Foundation<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 4:41 PM, Julien Winter <<a href="mailto:winter.julien@gmail.com" target="_blank">winter.julien@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 0in;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Hi all;<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Thanks to Ron for some great suggestions a couple of emails back.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>It will be worth getting the Biochar User Groups to experiment with making cakes from wet leaves, and Crispin's suggestion for co-combusting leaves and wood.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Making leaf cakes would be an improvement for their traditional stoves as well.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>It is great to get suggestions from all over the World. Ideas don't fall out of the sky as inspirations without a causal history. If new ideas were so easy to get, humanity would not have spent 100,000 years throwing stones at hairy elephants. Nobody could say, "I have an idea: a gun. Let's just shoot the bugger."<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>Julien.<span style='color:#888888'><br clear=all><span class=hoenzb><o:p></o:p></span></span></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#888888'><br>-- </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#888888'>Julien Winter<br>Cobourg, ON, CANADA<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>_______________________________________________<br>Stoves mailing list<br><br>to Send a Message to the list, use the email address<br><a href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br><br>to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page<br><a href="http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org" 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