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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Dear Ranyee,<br>
<br>
Thanks for the quick answer.<br>
<br>
<i>"</i><i>In my earlier message, I described how the protocols
have already been changed and updated from the WBT. So your
question about making decisions about the WBT doesn’t really
reflect the current situation since things have already moved
beyond that."</i><i><br>
</i>It is news to me.<br>
Unless I missed something, here is what you said in your previous
reply:<br>
<i>"</i><i><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
"Calibri",sans-serif;">We all recognize that there
is room to improve, and that is already the starting
motivation for ongoing work by many people. There are
protocol improvements that are in progress and in discussion,
which will be published as soon as they are complete."</span></i><br>
<br>
I have nowhere seen mentioned, in the discussions, on the GACC
website, or online, that the GACC had "moved beyond the WBT". It
is very good to hear.<br>
<br>
Nevertheless, the WBT 4.2.3 is still on top of the GACC testing
protocol page:<br>
<font color="#000000"><a
href="http://cleancookstoves.org/technology-and-fuels/testing/protocols.html">http://cleancookstoves.org/technology-and-fuels/testing/protocols.html</a><br>
<br>
<i>"if you’d like more information on how to join that
collaboration and discussion, please let me know."</i><br>
Yes, gladly, I would like to have more information. Sally Seitz,
the secretary of the TC 285, told me I couldn't join nor receive
news from the meetings, since France was not on the list of
countries. She advised me to contact the AFNOR, which I did, but
didn't get an answer so far, and I expect the process to be (if
it is successful) long and bureaucratic.<br>
<br>
<i>"If you’d like to contribute testing data to the RRT, please
let me know, since more data will help us have a better sense
of the sources of variation."</i><br>
Sorry, I don't have any testing data to contribute to the RRT.<br>
<br>
I have a few questions:<br>
</font>
<ul>
<li>Is there a document, like a report, which presents and
describes the Round Robin Testing?</li>
<li>What is the goal of the RRT?</li>
<li>When did the RRT start, and when do you expect it to finish?</li>
<li>Which protocol(s) will be used during that RRT? Which data
is gonna be compared?</li>
<li>"The agreement that the testing centers made when making
plans for the RRT is that participating centers would not be
shared". Shouldn't the origin of the testing data be shared?
Can we still know which organization is coordinating/managing
the RRT?<br>
</li>
<li>When you say <i>"</i><i>protocols have already been changed
and updated from the WBT"</i>, which protocols are you
talking about?</li>
<li>Is the GACC now able to officially declare the WBT has
serious flaws, and therefore should not be recommended to
certify stoves or select them for programmatic purposes? This
was why I meant by "taking a decision about the WBT".</li>
</ul>
<br>
<span style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><font
color="#000000">Thanks again and best regards,<br>
<br>
Xavier<br>
</font><br>
<br>
<br>
</span>On 3/13/17 15:11, Ranyee Chiang wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Dear
Xavier,
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">In my
earlier message, I described how the protocols have already
been changed and updated from the WBT. So your question
about making decisions about the WBT doesn’t really reflect
the current situation since things have already moved beyond
that. The duration of the ISO process which has updated
procedures is hard to predict, but the lab testing protocol
has already passed one round of voting and it will be up for
another round of voting within the next week or so. After
we know the results of that voting, we will know whether it
is ready to publish or if there needs to be additional
modification. People have been working on it continuously
over the last few years through the ISO Technical Committee
285 Working Groups to resolve longstanding issues and if
you’d like more information on how to join that
collaboration and discussion, please let me know.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I do know
that the ETHOS organizers plan to post the presentations
from the conference, but I’m not sure about their timeline.
The budget for the RRT was only to ship stoves and fuels to
testing centers, and the rest was based on volunteer
contributions from the participating testing centers. The
agreement that the testing centers made when making plans
for the RRT is that participating centers would not be
shared, so that people would feel comfortable joining this
learning opportunity. Our next steps with the Round Robin
Testing are to talk with participating testing centers
one-on-one, since this was an exercise designed to help
participating centers improve their efforts. If you’d like
to contribute testing data to the RRT, please let me know,
since more data will help us have a better sense of the
sources of variation.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Best
regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Ranyee</span></p>
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