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Rebecca,<br>
<br>
Using two or more different stoves (stove stacking) can be very
useful.<br>
<br>
What are the comparative prices of the Eco-Kalan-C and the TLUD
(which you said is $10)?<br>
<br>
And what are the other important differences? Especially mention
fire power (which one is more heat, and by how much, estimate
percentage is fine). <br>
<br>
Paul<br>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
Email: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>
Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072
Website: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.drtlud.com">www.drtlud.com</a></pre>
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Vermeer wrote:<br>
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<div>Cooking Performance of Eco-Kalan Stainless Steel TLUD
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Performance of Eco-Kalan Stainless Steel TLUD Stove,
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Tony, Neil and All,</p>
<p style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal;"
data-mce-style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal;">Thank
you for your suggestions and encouragement.</p>
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<p style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal;"
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have opted to make the TinCan TLUD stove into
stalnless steel (0.4mm) for a total cost of about
US$10 for the entire set up (including bricks, parilla,
kalan, plain 2" riser and handle). Steel and labour
(local tinsmith) account for 60% of total costs.<br>
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<p style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal;"
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Two canisters each containing over 1 kg dry wood fuel
will cook 2 dishes - meat with noodles/vegetables and
fish. Cooking rice, which requires the "palangay"
method (cooking with embers), is best done with the
Eco-Kalan stove. The embers in the TLUD stove are too
far from the pot bottom to be effective. Hence,
charcoal is collected for other uses.<br>
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Given the choice of being able to use only 1 stove, all
6 members of my household who cook in an outdoor kitchen
at Felipa Beach prefer the Eco-Kalan-C to the TLUD
stove. However, they don't mind owning both stoves if
money is not an issue and precut and dry fuel is
available all the time,<br>
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data-mce-style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal;">4. A
simple 2" hollow riser is better than one with a fan or
propeller at the bottom. Identical hollow risers can
be produced at the local shop but not so with the fan
or propeller type.<br>
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The handle is great -- cools off very quickly.<br>
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<p style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal;"
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always, all your comments are much appreciated.<br>
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<p style="margin: 0px;" data-mce-style="margin: 0px;">On 9
Mar 2017 at 2:38, Tony Vovers wrote: > Hopefully if
this thread suggestions are followed the "best" tin can
setup can be defined and some simple tools to hot swap
cans. A straight metal rod/thick fence wire passed
through the secondary air holes ought to be all you need
from the looks of things. It is the only tool I usually
use for lifting and replacing the pot support
concentrator on the Chinese stove, and the stove body
itself for carrying the stove and tipping out the char
into a quenching tin. Sometimes I use a pair of pliers.
Neil Taylor</p>
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<b>To: </b>"DISCUSSION OF BIOMASS COOKING STOVES"
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<b>Sent: </b>Thursday, March 9, 2017 2:38:15 AM<br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Stoves] Full cooking with minimal
TLUD stove --- Re: Rebecca Vermeer sent you a video:
"Cooking Performance of Eco-Kalan Tincan TLUD Stove, Feb
6, 2017"<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Rebecca <br>
<br>
<div>Thanks so much for your postings </div>
<div>- what I especially like is the versatility and
simplicity of the materials and the designs. <br>
<br>
</div>
<div>The base material is clay so does not require
machine shop and specialist metal workers.</div>
<div>The base unit looks like it is still a rocket stove
so those without time/energy to manage the fuel can
still cook with sticks.<br>
<br>
</div>
<div>The Tin cans for TLUD probably won't last too long
but seem simple enough to be easily remade.</div>
<div>Sand as a valve for primary air is a great idea.</div>
<br>
<div>Hopefully if this thread suggestions are followed
the "best" tin can setup can be defined and some
simple tools to hot swap cans.</div>
<br>
<div>Please do keep this thread going, I can see the
importance of fuel management is again rising to the
top of the list of needs for a usable gasifier.</div>
<br>
<div>Your Eco-Kalan website is well structured for
information including a section on sustainable
gathering of wood, the topics of coppicing and
pollarding do not get enough airtime in the stove
community.<br>
<br>
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<div>Just a few words of support - thanks for the effort
and quality of the feedback and an interesting
development on the eco-Kalan product as a gasifier.</div>
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<div>TonyV</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 11:10
PM, Paul Anderson <span dir="ltr"><<a
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<div>Dear all,<br>
<br>
Rebecca's message (below) merits special
attention. Very informative about a low-cost
variation of TLUD stoves. Low cost because it is
with a clay pot support, hollow clay brick for
primary air entry with sand for air control, and
one or two tin cans. I ask Rebecca to tell us
the cost of her TLUD stoves. I suspect that you
are under US$ 5. !!!!! (not counting the bench
/ platform upon which the stoves are placed for
convenient operation height for those who cook
while standing up. But the stove is short enough
by itself to appeal to those who cook while seated
or squatting.)<br>
<br>
She is past the stages of proof of concept and the
proof of acceptance-by-cooks. Some fine tuning
remains, but this arrangement is close to ready to
be into some (further) pilot studies. <br>
<br>
Notes (that only make sense to those who have
viewed Rebecca's materials):<br>
1. Advantage of a densified fuel ("log pieces"),
but wood in a taller tincan would do the same job
and same time. Also your comment about the male
cooks (army) and fuel preparation help point out
that fuel preparation can be a new employment for
some unskilled workers. Fuel type and supply are
very important, but almost always any small
complaints can be resolved with a little attention
to fuel handling.<br>
<br>
2. I am not 100% sure of how the top
(concentrator) lid is made and placed onto the
fuel can. (I suspect usage of the can opener
that leaves the lip on the lid. Highly
economical use of the tin can.) Instead or
alternatively, a separate concentrator lid could
be made from a metal dinnerware plate or
improvised easily with a tinsmith.<br>
<br>
3. Video and photos show TWO stoves that I will
call "short one" (on the left) and "taller one" on
the right which is simply raised on a few bricks.
I like the taller one because it has space for and
uses a 3+ inch riser (the second tin can, best
seen in the still photos before it is put into
place.)<br>
<br>
4. About that riser, I suggest that you turn it
upside down. (or completely cut out both
ends). And consider larger diameter cans for
risers. Experimentation is needed. Please
report what you find to work best (or to not work
well).<br>
<br>
5. There are still issues of safety, such as
contact / movement of the very hot single-wall
metal pieces (TLUD fuel canister, riser, etc).
Tongs or handles will eventually appear, adding
convenience but increasing the price. This will
be adjusted according to the prefernces of the
stove users, and there should NOT be requirements
that these stoves have handles, etc,. thereby
delaying the availability of these stoves to
people who could want them.<br>
<br>
6. And an important note about BIOCHAR in
Rebecca's configuration: In the video, they
choose to burn the charcoal, which is fine. But
if you want to make biochar, simply remove the
fuel canister at the end of pyrolysis, and insert
a second tincan what was already prepared and
ready for use. I think that this stove might have
significant interest in Bangladesh with Mabubul's
project. <br>
<br>
Congratulations to Rebecca and her team!! (I
suggest that a condensed version of the video and
photo collection might also be appropriate.)<br>
<br>
Everyone can enjoy reading and seeing their
success!!! <br>
<br>
Paul<br>
<pre class="m_-3617090693618685095moz-signature">Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
Email: <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="m_-3617090693618685095moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu" target="_blank" data-mce-href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>
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<div class="m_-3617090693618685095moz-cite-prefix">On
3/8/2017 4:03 AM, Rebecca A. Vermeer wrote:<br>
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0px;"><span style="color: black; font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";"
data-mce-style="color: black; font-family:
'Arial','sans-serif';">Cooking Performance
of Eco-Kalan TinCan TLUD Stoves with Wood
Briquettes & Sticks, March 1, 2017</span></p>
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0px;"><span style="color: black; font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";"
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href="https://youtu.be/ESiEWSBnewI"
target="_blank"
data-mce-href="https://youtu.be/ESiEWSBnewI">https://youtu.be/ESiEWSBnewI</a></span></p>
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0px;"><span style="color: black; font-family:
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0px;"><span style="color: black; font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";"
data-mce-style="color: black; font-family:
'Arial','sans-serif';">NOTE: WHEN VIEWING A
PHOTO ALBUM, LEFT CLICK ON THE i icon TO SEE
THE INFO DETAILS OF EACH PHOTO.</span></p>
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0px;"><span style="color: black; font-family:
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<p style="margin: 0px;" data-mce-style="margin:
0px;"><span style="color: black; font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";"
data-mce-style="color: black; font-family:
'Arial','sans-serif';"> March 1, 2017 Broken
Alder wood puck briquettes in widemouth
Eco-Kalan Tincan TLUD stove - Cooking Peas
Phase 1</span></p>
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0px;"><span style="color: black; font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";"
data-mce-style="color: black; font-family:
'Arial','sans-serif';"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://goo.gl/photos/LfSkQkeRHeYxmZKYA"
target="_blank"
data-mce-href="https://goo.gl/photos/LfSkQkeRHeYxmZKYA">https://goo.gl/photos/LfSkQkeRHeYxmZKYA</a></span></p>
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0px;"><span style="color: black; font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";"
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'Arial','sans-serif';"> </span></p>
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0px;"><span style="color: black; font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";"
data-mce-style="color: black; font-family:
'Arial','sans-serif';">March 1, 2017
Ipil-Ipil Sticks in narrow mouth TinCan TLUD
stove with riser - Cooking Peas Phase 2</span></p>
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0px;"><span style="color: black; font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";"
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href="https://goo.gl/photos/9zttbuSzjLkQgb7V8"
target="_blank"
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0px;"><span style="color: black; font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";"
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'Arial','sans-serif';"></span><span
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0px;"><strong><span style="color: black;
font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";"
data-mce-style="color: black; font-family:
'Arial','sans-serif';">Dear Paul, Ron,
Julien, Jon and All,</span></strong></p>
<p style="margin: 0px;" data-mce-style="margin:
0px;"><span style="color: black; font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";"
data-mce-style="color: black; font-family:
'Arial','sans-serif';">Thank you for
your encouraging comments and valuable
suggestions on the Feb. 6, 2017 video,
"Cooking Performance of Eco-Kalan TinCan
TLUD Stove . In the above March 1,
2017 video and photo albums, I responded to
your comments as follows:</span></p>
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0px;"><span style="color: black; font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";"
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'Arial','sans-serif';"></span><br>
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<p style="margin: 0px;" data-mce-style="margin:
0px;"><span style="color: black; font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";"
data-mce-style="color: black; font-family:
'Arial','sans-serif';">1. J</span><span
style="color: black; font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";"
data-mce-style="color: black; font-family:
'Arial','sans-serif';">on's comment on
squirting kerosene on the top of the fuel
bed which then drips down to the bottom:</span></p>
<p style="margin: 0px;" data-mce-style="margin:
0px;"><span style="color: black; font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";"
data-mce-style="color: black; font-family:
'Arial','sans-serif';"> </span><span
style="color: black; font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";"
data-mce-style="color: black; font-family:
'Arial','sans-serif';">The kindlings we use
for starting a fire are now dipped into 25
ml of kerosene and placed on top of the fuel
bed.</span></p>
<p style="margin: 0px;" data-mce-style="margin:
0px;"><span style="color: black; font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";"
data-mce-style="color: black; font-family:
'Arial','sans-serif';"> </span></p>
<p style="margin: 0px;" data-mce-style="margin:
0px;"><span style="color: black; font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";"
data-mce-style="color: black; font-family:
'Arial','sans-serif';">2. Paul's and
Julien's suggestion to turn down the flame.</span></p>
<p style="margin: 0px;" data-mce-style="margin:
0px;"><span style="color: black; font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";"
data-mce-style="color: black; font-family:
'Arial','sans-serif';"> </span></p>
<p style="margin: 0px;" data-mce-style="margin:
0px;"><span style="color: black; font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";"
data-mce-style="color: black; font-family:
'Arial','sans-serif';">This has been
achieved by: </span></p>
<p style="margin: 0px;" data-mce-style="margin:
0px;"><span style="color: black; font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";"
data-mce-style="color: black; font-family:
'Arial','sans-serif';">a) Sealing with sand
all areas of primary air entry including the
base of the TinCan which touch the parilla;
the back opening and sides of the parilla;
and a small but adjustable opening at the
front end of the parilla</span></p>
<p style="margin: 0px;" data-mce-style="margin:
0px;"><span style="color: black; font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";"
data-mce-style="color: black; font-family:
'Arial','sans-serif';"></span><br>
</p>
<p style="margin: 0px;" data-mce-style="margin:
0px;"><span style="color: black; font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";"
data-mce-style="color: black; font-family:
'Arial','sans-serif';">b) Loading the
minimum required fuel.</span></p>
<p style="margin: 0px;" data-mce-style="margin:
0px;"><span style="color: black; font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";"
data-mce-style="color: black; font-family:
'Arial','sans-serif';"></span><br>
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<p style="margin: 0px;" data-mce-style="margin:
0px;"><span style="color: black; font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";"
data-mce-style="color: black; font-family:
'Arial','sans-serif';">c) Reducing
the concentrator hole diameter and
maintaining that same hole diameter for the
riser.</span></p>
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0px;"><span style="color: black; font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";"
data-mce-style="color: black; font-family:
'Arial','sans-serif';"> </span></p>
<p style="margin: 0px;" data-mce-style="margin:
0px;"><span style="color: black; font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";"
data-mce-style="color: black; font-family:
'Arial','sans-serif';">Of the above 3
measures, having a small but adjustable
opening is the simplest way to control the
flame.</span></p>
<p style="margin: 0px;" data-mce-style="margin:
0px;"><span style="color: black; font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";"
data-mce-style="color: black; font-family:
'Arial','sans-serif';"> </span></p>
<p style="margin: 0px;" data-mce-style="margin:
0px;"><span style="color: black; font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";"
data-mce-style="color: black; font-family:
'Arial','sans-serif';">3. Paul's request
for more photos -- please see the above
photo albums.</span></p>
<p style="margin: 0px;" data-mce-style="margin:
0px;"><span style="color: black; font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";"
data-mce-style="color: black; font-family:
'Arial','sans-serif';"> </span></p>
<p style="margin: 0px;" data-mce-style="margin:
0px;"><span style="color: black; font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";"
data-mce-style="color: black; font-family:
'Arial','sans-serif';">4. Ron's query on my
cooks' views on the TLUD vs. Traditional
approaches</span></p>
<p style="margin: 0px;" data-mce-style="margin:
0px;"><span style="color: black; font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";"
data-mce-style="color: black; font-family:
'Arial','sans-serif';"> </span></p>
<p style="margin: 0px;" data-mce-style="margin:
0px;"><span style="color: black; font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";"
data-mce-style="color: black; font-family:
'Arial','sans-serif';">My female cooks have
been using the Eco-Kalan-C for many years
and therefore, are hard to wean away from
the stove that allows them to do all their
cooking effectively and use any type of
found fuel year round at Felipa Beach,
Dumaguete City, Negros Island,
Philippines. They dislike cutting or
sawing wood into prescribed
lengths for my TLUD stoves. But since male
cooks from the Philippine Army took on some
of the cooking and most of the wood fuel
preparations, all my cooks (males and
females) now like to use the TinCan TLUD
stove for short time cooking (within 1 hour)
for dishes such as Pancit, Bam-I, soups,
vegetables, small pieces or ground
meats "because the TinCan stove (with dry
wood and kerosene as fire starter) is easy
to light, no smoke and fast cooking".
For long time cooking (> 1 hour), they
prefer to use the Eco-Kalan-C as adding
fuel when needed is very easy. For frying,
my cooks prefer to use the Eco-Kalan-C
because they can adjust the temperature of
the cooking oil easily by taking out or
adding fuel to the fire.</span></p>
<p style="margin: 0px;" data-mce-style="margin:
0px;"><span style="color: black; font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";"
data-mce-style="color: black; font-family:
'Arial','sans-serif';"> </span></p>
<p style="margin: 0px;" data-mce-style="margin:
0px;"><span style="color: black; font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";"
data-mce-style="color: black; font-family:
'Arial','sans-serif';">Since I introduced
Wilvaco's (Willamete Valley Company) alder
wood briquettes to my cooks for use in the
Eco-Kalan-C and the Eco-Kalan TinCan TLUD
stove (see video and photo albums below), I
have noticed significant increase in their
enthusiasm for and enjoyment from cooking. A
fuel can really make a stove tic. The
importance of a good and dry solid
fuel motivates me to participate in
finding ways to make wood briquettes
commercially viable for everyone. </span></p>
<p style="margin: 0px;" data-mce-style="margin:
0px;"><span style="color: black; font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";"
data-mce-style="color: black; font-family:
'Arial','sans-serif';"> </span></p>
<p style="margin: 0px;" data-mce-style="margin:
0px;"><span style="color: black; font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";"
data-mce-style="color: black; font-family:
'Arial','sans-serif';">Warm regards from
Felipa Beach,</span></p>
<p style="margin: 0px;" data-mce-style="margin:
0px;"><span style="color: black; font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";"
data-mce-style="color: black; font-family:
'Arial','sans-serif';"> </span></p>
<p style="margin: 0px;" data-mce-style="margin:
0px;"><span style="color: black; font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";"
data-mce-style="color: black; font-family:
'Arial','sans-serif';">Rebecca Vermeer </span></p>
<p style="margin: 0px;" data-mce-style="margin:
0px;"><span style="color: black; font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";"
data-mce-style="color: black; font-family:
'Arial','sans-serif';">Eco-Kalan Project in
the Philippines</span></p>
<p style="margin: 0px;" data-mce-style="margin:
0px;"><span style="color: black; font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";"
data-mce-style="color: black; font-family:
'Arial','sans-serif';">________________________________________________________</span></p>
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<div><b>From: </b>"PAUL ANDERSON" <a
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<b>Sent: </b>Thursday, February 23, 2017
11:37:06 AM<br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Stoves] Rebecca Vermeer
sent you a video: "Cooking Performance of
Eco-Kalan Tincan TLUD Stove"<br>
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Rebecca,<br>
<br>
I agree with Ron that it is a very good video. I
am very glad to see your accomplishments.<br>
<br>
My comments are intended to be constructive. <br>
<br>
1. Your fire is a bit high. That indicates some
leakage of primary air. I suspect that it is
where the can is sitting on the hollow brick, not
at the primary air entrance that you correctly
cover with sand. Check all around. Put sand
around the base of the metal can. You can also
try moist sand. Please let me know your results
(because I am still learning).<br>
<br>
2. Have you experimented with slighly smaller
diameter of the concentrator hole in the top of
the metal can?<br>
<br>
3. Also, a few more inches of height between the
concentrator top and the bottom of the pot would
allow for more time for more turbulence. <br>
<br>
4. Additional photos or videos from other angles
and of the individual part would be useful.<br>
<br>
In general, fabulous work. I suspect that you
will find further ways to improve the results.
Some ways will be beneficial. Others will be
good but not worth incorporating. <br>
<br>
Looking forward to hearing more of your activities
with TLUD combustion.<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
<br>
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<pre class="m_-3617090693618685095moz-signature">Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
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