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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Dear Ranyee,<br>
      <br>
      You didn't reply to my previous email of the 14/03.<br>
      <br>
      The proceedings of the last ETHOS conference still haven't been
      published, and there is no information about the Round Robin
      Testing on the internet.<br>
      We would like to know the RRT more in detail.<br>
      <br>
      <font color="#000000">Hence my few questions:<br>
      </font>
      <ul>
        <li>Is there a document, like a report, which presents and
          describes the Round Robin Testing?</li>
        <li>What is the goal of the RRT?</li>
        <li>When did the RRT start, and when do you expect it to finish?</li>
        <li>Which protocol(s) will be used during that RRT? Which data
          is gonna be compared?</li>
        <li>"The agreement that the testing centers made when making
          plans for the RRT is that participating centers would not be
          shared". Shouldn't the origin of the testing data be shared?
          Can we still know which organization is coordinating/managing
          the RRT?<br>
        </li>
        <li>When you say <i>"</i><i>protocols have already been changed
            and updated from the WBT"</i>, which protocols are you
          talking about?</li>
        <li>Is the GACC now able to officially declare the WBT has
          serious flaws, and therefore should not be recommended to
          certify stoves or select them for programmatic purposes? This
          was why I meant by "taking a decision about the WBT".</li>
      </ul>
      <br>
      <span style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><font
          color="#000000">Thanks again and best regards,<br>
          <br>
          Xavier<br>
        </font></span> <br>
      <br>
      On 3/14/17 00:29, Xavier Brandao wrote:<br>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Dear Ranyee,<br>
        <br>
        Thanks for the quick answer.<br>
        <br>
        <i>"</i><i>In my earlier message, I described how the protocols
          have already been changed and updated from the WBT. So your
          question about making decisions about the WBT doesn’t really
          reflect the current situation since things have already moved
          beyond that."</i><i><br>
        </i>It is news to me.<br>
        Unless I missed something, here is what you said in your
        previous reply:<br>
        <i>"</i><i><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
            "Calibri",sans-serif;">We all recognize that there
            is room to improve, and that is already the starting
            motivation for ongoing work by many people.  There are
            protocol improvements that are in progress and in
            discussion, which will be published as soon as they are
            complete."</span></i><br>
        <br>
        I have nowhere seen mentioned, in the discussions, on the GACC
        website, or online, that the GACC had "moved beyond the WBT". It
        is very good to hear.<br>
        <br>
        Nevertheless, the WBT 4.2.3 is still on top of the GACC testing
        protocol page:<br>
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href="http://cleancookstoves.org/technology-and-fuels/testing/protocols.html">http://cleancookstoves.org/technology-and-fuels/testing/protocols.html</a><br>
          <br>
          <i>"if you’d like more information on how to join that
            collaboration and discussion, please let me know."</i><br>
          Yes, gladly, I would like to have more information. Sally
          Seitz, the secretary of the TC 285, told me I couldn't join
          nor receive news from the meetings, since France was not on
          the list of countries. She advised me to contact the AFNOR,
          which I did, but didn't get an answer so far, and I expect the
          process to be (if it is successful) long and bureaucratic.<br>
          <br>
          <i>"If you’d like to contribute testing data to the RRT,
            please let me know, since more data will help us have a
            better sense of the sources of variation."</i><br>
          Sorry, I don't have any testing data to contribute to the RRT.<br>
          <br>
          I have a few questions:<br>
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        <ul>
          <li>Is there a document, like a report, which presents and
            describes the Round Robin Testing?</li>
          <li>What is the goal of the RRT?</li>
          <li>When did the RRT start, and when do you expect it to
            finish?</li>
          <li>Which protocol(s) will be used during that RRT? Which data
            is gonna be compared?</li>
          <li>"The agreement that the testing centers made when making
            plans for the RRT is that participating centers would not be
            shared". Shouldn't the origin of the testing data be shared?
            Can we still know which organization is
            coordinating/managing the RRT?<br>
          </li>
          <li>When you say <i>"</i><i>protocols have already been
              changed and updated from the WBT"</i>, which protocols are
            you talking about?</li>
          <li>Is the GACC now able to officially declare the WBT has
            serious flaws, and therefore should not be recommended to
            certify stoves or select them for programmatic purposes?
            This was why I meant by "taking a decision about the WBT".</li>
        </ul>
        <br>
        <span style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><font
            color="#000000">Thanks again and best regards,<br>
            <br>
            Xavier<br>
          </font><br>
          <br>
          <br>
        </span>On 3/13/17 15:11, Ranyee Chiang wrote:<br>
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              style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Dear
              Xavier, <o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
              style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">In my
              earlier message, I described how the protocols have
              already been changed and updated from the WBT.  So your
              question about making decisions about the WBT doesn’t
              really reflect the current situation since things have
              already moved beyond that.  The duration of the ISO
              process which has updated procedures is hard to predict,
              but the lab testing protocol has already passed one round
              of voting and it will be up for another round of voting
              within the next week or so.  After we know the results of
              that voting, we will know whether it is ready to publish
              or if there needs to be additional modification.  People
              have been working on it continuously over the last few
              years through the ISO Technical Committee 285 Working
              Groups to resolve longstanding issues and if you’d like
              more information on how to join that collaboration and
              discussion, please let me know.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
              style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I do know
              that the ETHOS organizers plan to post the presentations
              from the conference, but I’m not sure about their
              timeline.  The budget for the RRT was only to ship stoves
              and fuels to testing centers, and the rest was based on
              volunteer contributions from the participating testing
              centers.  The agreement that the testing centers made when
              making plans for the RRT is that participating centers
              would not be shared, so that people would feel comfortable
              joining this learning opportunity.  Our next steps with
              the Round Robin Testing are to talk with participating
              testing centers one-on-one, since this was an exercise
              designed to help participating centers improve their
              efforts.  If you’d like to contribute testing data to the
              RRT, please let me know, since more data will help us have
              a better sense of the sources of variation.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
              style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Best
              regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
              style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Ranyee</span></p>
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