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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Dear Ranyee,<br>
<br>
You didn't reply to my previous email of the 14/03.<br>
<br>
The proceedings of the last ETHOS conference still haven't been
published, and there is no information about the Round Robin
Testing on the internet.<br>
We would like to know the RRT more in detail.<br>
<br>
<font color="#000000">Hence my few questions:<br>
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<ul>
<li>Is there a document, like a report, which presents and
describes the Round Robin Testing?</li>
<li>What is the goal of the RRT?</li>
<li>When did the RRT start, and when do you expect it to finish?</li>
<li>Which protocol(s) will be used during that RRT? Which data
is gonna be compared?</li>
<li>"The agreement that the testing centers made when making
plans for the RRT is that participating centers would not be
shared". Shouldn't the origin of the testing data be shared?
Can we still know which organization is coordinating/managing
the RRT?<br>
</li>
<li>When you say <i>"</i><i>protocols have already been changed
and updated from the WBT"</i>, which protocols are you
talking about?</li>
<li>Is the GACC now able to officially declare the WBT has
serious flaws, and therefore should not be recommended to
certify stoves or select them for programmatic purposes? This
was why I meant by "taking a decision about the WBT".</li>
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<span style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><font
color="#000000">Thanks again and best regards,<br>
<br>
Xavier<br>
</font></span> <br>
<br>
On 3/14/17 00:29, Xavier Brandao wrote:<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Dear Ranyee,<br>
<br>
Thanks for the quick answer.<br>
<br>
<i>"</i><i>In my earlier message, I described how the protocols
have already been changed and updated from the WBT. So your
question about making decisions about the WBT doesn’t really
reflect the current situation since things have already moved
beyond that."</i><i><br>
</i>It is news to me.<br>
Unless I missed something, here is what you said in your
previous reply:<br>
<i>"</i><i><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
"Calibri",sans-serif;">We all recognize that there
is room to improve, and that is already the starting
motivation for ongoing work by many people. There are
protocol improvements that are in progress and in
discussion, which will be published as soon as they are
complete."</span></i><br>
<br>
I have nowhere seen mentioned, in the discussions, on the GACC
website, or online, that the GACC had "moved beyond the WBT". It
is very good to hear.<br>
<br>
Nevertheless, the WBT 4.2.3 is still on top of the GACC testing
protocol page:<br>
<font color="#000000"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://cleancookstoves.org/technology-and-fuels/testing/protocols.html">http://cleancookstoves.org/technology-and-fuels/testing/protocols.html</a><br>
<br>
<i>"if you’d like more information on how to join that
collaboration and discussion, please let me know."</i><br>
Yes, gladly, I would like to have more information. Sally
Seitz, the secretary of the TC 285, told me I couldn't join
nor receive news from the meetings, since France was not on
the list of countries. She advised me to contact the AFNOR,
which I did, but didn't get an answer so far, and I expect the
process to be (if it is successful) long and bureaucratic.<br>
<br>
<i>"If you’d like to contribute testing data to the RRT,
please let me know, since more data will help us have a
better sense of the sources of variation."</i><br>
Sorry, I don't have any testing data to contribute to the RRT.<br>
<br>
I have a few questions:<br>
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<ul>
<li>Is there a document, like a report, which presents and
describes the Round Robin Testing?</li>
<li>What is the goal of the RRT?</li>
<li>When did the RRT start, and when do you expect it to
finish?</li>
<li>Which protocol(s) will be used during that RRT? Which data
is gonna be compared?</li>
<li>"The agreement that the testing centers made when making
plans for the RRT is that participating centers would not be
shared". Shouldn't the origin of the testing data be shared?
Can we still know which organization is
coordinating/managing the RRT?<br>
</li>
<li>When you say <i>"</i><i>protocols have already been
changed and updated from the WBT"</i>, which protocols are
you talking about?</li>
<li>Is the GACC now able to officially declare the WBT has
serious flaws, and therefore should not be recommended to
certify stoves or select them for programmatic purposes?
This was why I meant by "taking a decision about the WBT".</li>
</ul>
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<span style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><font
color="#000000">Thanks again and best regards,<br>
<br>
Xavier<br>
</font><br>
<br>
<br>
</span>On 3/13/17 15:11, Ranyee Chiang wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Dear
Xavier, <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">In my
earlier message, I described how the protocols have
already been changed and updated from the WBT. So your
question about making decisions about the WBT doesn’t
really reflect the current situation since things have
already moved beyond that. The duration of the ISO
process which has updated procedures is hard to predict,
but the lab testing protocol has already passed one round
of voting and it will be up for another round of voting
within the next week or so. After we know the results of
that voting, we will know whether it is ready to publish
or if there needs to be additional modification. People
have been working on it continuously over the last few
years through the ISO Technical Committee 285 Working
Groups to resolve longstanding issues and if you’d like
more information on how to join that collaboration and
discussion, please let me know.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I do know
that the ETHOS organizers plan to post the presentations
from the conference, but I’m not sure about their
timeline. The budget for the RRT was only to ship stoves
and fuels to testing centers, and the rest was based on
volunteer contributions from the participating testing
centers. The agreement that the testing centers made when
making plans for the RRT is that participating centers
would not be shared, so that people would feel comfortable
joining this learning opportunity. Our next steps with
the Round Robin Testing are to talk with participating
testing centers one-on-one, since this was an exercise
designed to help participating centers improve their
efforts. If you’d like to contribute testing data to the
RRT, please let me know, since more data will help us have
a better sense of the sources of variation.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Best
regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Ranyee</span></p>
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