<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Xavier:</div><div><br></div><div>People working together - in RRT - will never be defeated. </div><div><br></div><div>(Rephrasing an old protest slogan from last Century.)</div><div><br><br>Nikhil </div><div><br>On Apr 28, 2017, at 2:34 AM, Xavier Brandao <<a href="mailto:xvr.brandao@gmail.com">xvr.brandao@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dear Ranyee,<br>
<br>
Thank you for taking the time to answer each of my questions. It
is clearer
now.<br>
<br>
<i style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal">"a third party
organization to
analyze the data and provide recommendations."</i><br>
What is that organization?<br>
<br>
Best regards,<br>
<br>
Xavier<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<ul type="disc">
<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l4
level1 lfo1">
what is the budget of the Round Robin Testing?<o:p></o:p></li>
</ul>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">The
budget covered preparation of stoves and fuels, shipping,
and a third party organization to analyze the data and
provide recommendations.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<ul type="disc">
<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l4
level1 lfo1">
is there a document, like a report, which presents and
describes the Round Robin Testing (other than the ETHOS
presentation)?<o:p></o:p></li>
</ul>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">The
report is being shared with participating testing centers,
as agreed to with the RRT plan.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<ul type="disc">
<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l4
level1 lfo1">
<span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">when did the RRT
start, and when do you expect it to finish?<o:p></o:p></span></li>
</ul>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">RRT
is an ongoing process, since there are always opportunities
for improvement. RTKCs launched the RRT in 2013 at a
training workshop in Honduras. If additional RTKCs have
additional data, that will still be helpful.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<ul type="disc">
<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l4
level1 lfo1">
<span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">which protocol(s)
will be used during that RRT? Other than the WBT, because
from what I see from the ETHOS presentation, only the WBT
seems to be used?
<o:p></o:p></span></li>
</ul>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">There
is a modified water-boiling-based test that is based on the
latest best practice.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<ul type="disc">
<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l4
level1 lfo1">
<span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">"The agreement that
the testing centers made when making plans for the RRT is
that participating centers would not be shared". Shouldn't
the origin of the testing data be shared? Can we still
know which organization is coordinating/managing the RRT?
<o:p></o:p></span></li>
</ul>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I
was unclear in my original message. The plans and data are
shared with participating testing centers. The original
agreement was that the data will be anonymized when sharing
across different participating testing centers.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<ul type="disc">
<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l4
level1 lfo1">
<span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">when you say <i>"protocols
have already been changed and updated from the WBT"</i>,
which protocols are you talking about?
<o:p></o:p></span></li>
</ul>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">The
ISO Technical committed 285 has over 40 countries working
together to share and combine best practices and address
weaknesses identified across all testing and to address
trade-offs in testing.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<ul type="disc">
<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l4
level1 lfo1">
<span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">is the GACC now
able to officially declare the WBT has serious flaws, and
therefore should not be recommended to certify stoves or
select them for programmatic purposes? This was what I
meant by "taking a decision about the WBT". <o:p></o:p></span></li>
</ul>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">All
protocols have flaws and trade-offs that address different
priorities. My personal decision is that there is room for
every person, every testing center, and all protocols to
improve, and that’s why my focus has been on facilitating
collaboration and moving forward.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p>Now, to reply to your last email:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">"This
means that we are not promoting any particular
protocol. In fact, we provide
<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://cleancookstoves.org/technology-and-fuels/testing/protocols.html">links
to multiple testing-related resources from many
organizations</a>."</span></i></b><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Yes,
indeed, and on top of these links and at the head of the
page is the link to the WBT, that has been proved to be by
far the most flawed of all protocols. This is a concern.</span><span style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">If
there are other testing resources that were developed
through collaboration across multiple organizations and
countries, please let me us know by contacting the e-mail
address listed on the website for providing updates to the
website. For example, the WBT underwent several rounds of
public comment periods in 2012 and earlier. When other
protocols are completed, we will publish those as well.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><br>
</span></i></b><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><br>
</span><b><i><span style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">"In
particular, my suggestions for how to help improve
testing protocols are to 1)
<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://cleancookstoves.org/technology-and-fuels/standards/how-to-participate.html">join
the ISO working groups</a>, review the current drafts,
and propose specific changes"<br>
<br>
</span></i></b><span style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I
haven't been able to join so far. I had not answer from the
AFNOR, and wrote to them again, so I can join the TC 285.<br>
<br>
</span><span style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">If
anyone has any questions, please contact me directly. The
listserv is not a good place for specific questions to
specific people.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><br>
</span><b><i><span style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">"The
most helpful thing for others would be to try out the
RRT instructions and add your data to strengthen the
analysis."</span></i></b><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">
<br>
But before being involved in a project, we need to know what
the project is about, what is the methodology, and what it
tries to achieve. We have almost no information on the RRT
project now. What is the methodology? What will the GACC do
with the data collected? How can this data help us learn
anything on how to improve stove protocols, or the way we do
testing?</span><span style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">This
information is outlined in the plan and instructions for RRT
which has been shared with all RTKCs who have volunteered to
participate in the RRT.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><br>
</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><br>
</span><b><i><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">"In
particular, my suggestions for how to help improve
testing protocols are to contribute data to the Round
Robin Testing exercise."<br>
</span></i></b><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">How
do you expect this to happen? How does the data from the RRT
will help improving the protocols at large?</span><b><i><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><br>
<br>
</span></i></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">This
can happen by additional testing centers reviewing the plan
and instructions for RRT, following the protocols and
submitting their data.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></i></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><br>
</span></i></b><b><i><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">"the agreement was
that people would share data within this group as a way
to help this group to improve. So that is our primary
focus."<br>
</span></i></b><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">So
you mean the main goal of the round robin testing is mainly
to improve the way the RKTCs operate, rather than to improve
the protocols (this is what Frank seems to think)?<br>
<br>
</span><span style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">The
way RTKCs operate includes improving the protocols. And
I’ve already mentioned that people are working together to
improve protocols.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><br>
Best regards,<br>
<br>
Xavier<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On 4/14/17 06:23, Ranyee Chiang wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Dear
Xavier and all,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I
thought that I had answered the questions already in my
previous e-mails, but happy to clarify. I’m including the
text of a message that I sent previously, with additional
clarifications. I think it will also be helpful for
everyone to remember we all agree that there is important
work to do, so hopefully that can collaborative tone can
come through in how we all communicate together.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">“We
all recognize that there is room to improve, and that is
already the starting motivation for ongoing work by many
people. There are protocol improvements that are in
progress and in discussion, which will be published as
soon as they are complete.”
<b><i>This means that we are not promoting any particular
protocol. In fact, we provide
<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://cleancookstoves.org/technology-and-fuels/testing/protocols.html">links
to multiple testing-related resources from many
organizations</a>. As soon as new protocols are
completed, we will add those to the website list. And
we know that all protocols can be improved,
harmonized, and that this needs to be a group effort.
And that is happening. The ongoing ISO process is
designed to bring together experts with different
perspectives into one discussion, and that has already
led to quite a few updates that those not
participating may not be aware of.</i></b></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">“Many
RTKCs also participated in a recent round robin testing
exercise, with the results supporting how we improve
testing methodology and how testing centers establish
quality assurance plans. Thanks to the dozens of people
who have been contributing their time and expertise over
the last few years.”
<b><i>The biggest challenge now is that there isn’t enough
data to make many conclusions. That’s a limiting
factor and also why there’s such little detail in the
presentation from ETHOS. When RTKCs came together to
develop the Round Robin Testing plan, the agreement
was that people would share data within this group as
a way to help this group to improve. So that is our
primary focus. There are ongoing discussions amongst
the participating testing centers about the details of
the results and implications. We are also still
getting data from additional testing centers. The
most helpful thing for others would be to try out the
RRT instructions and add your data to strengthen the
analysis.</i></b></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">“We
will continue to work with RTKCs to improve methods,
testing, and data sharing. For those people who have not
been as active in this global collaboration, we continue
to invite people to contribute to the ISO discussions, to
contribute data to the Round Robin Testing effort, and to
contribute data to the Clean Cooking Catalog so that we
can continue our analyses on the strengths and areas for
improvement.”
<b><i>If anyone would like to join the ongoing
collaborations to improve protocols or using the
protocols at testing centers, please contact me
directly and separately from the listserv. Because
there are so many conversations on the listserv and
they’re meant as group messages, it’s easier to track
personal e-mails that are sent to individuals. In
particular, my suggestions for how to help improve
testing protocols are to 1)
<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://cleancookstoves.org/technology-and-fuels/standards/how-to-participate.html">join
the ISO working groups</a>, review the current
drafts, and propose specific changes and 2) contribute
data to the Round Robin Testing exercise.
</i></b></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Best
regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Ranyee</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
Xavier Brandao [<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:xvr.brandao@gmail.com">mailto:xvr.brandao@gmail.com</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 13, 2017 12:19 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Discussion of biomass cooking stoves <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">
<stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org></a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Ranyee Chiang <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:rchiang@cleancookstoves.org"><rchiang@cleancookstoves.org></a>;
Leslie Cordes
<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:lcordes@cleancookstoves.org"><lcordes@cleancookstoves.org></a>;
Neeraja Penumetcha
<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:npenumetcha@cleancookstoves.org"><npenumetcha@cleancookstoves.org></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Stoves] Advocacy action: ask the GACC
to stop promoting the WBT</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;text-align:justify">Dear
Ranyee,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;text-align:justify"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;text-align:justify">It
seems neither you nor anyone at the GACC wish to reply to
the questions I sent in my previous emails. It is a shame,
because I think these are simple, straightforward
questions, and they are simple to answer.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;text-align:justify"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;text-align:justify">I
understood the GACC was committed to the highest standards
of transparency and accountability.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;text-align:justify"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;text-align:justify">But
there exist little to no information about the round robin
testing, nor how the GACC plans to address the many issues
related to stove testing, issues raised by numerous
studies. I read the ETHOS presentation about the round
robin testing, it leaves most of my questions unanswered.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;text-align:justify"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;text-align:justify">There
is an urgent need to talk about these issues, work on
solutions, and again, this has to be done in other spaces
than just the ISO TC 285. There is a need for a strong
effort, and we are waiting for the GACC voice on that.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;text-align:justify"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;text-align:justify">Given
what is at stake, policies for 3 billion people, openness
is crucial.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;text-align:justify"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;text-align:justify">This is
exactly what is very well said by a recently published
article of Nature:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;text-align:justify"><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.nature.com/news/energy-scientists-must-show-their-workings-1.21517">http://www.nature.com/news/energy-scientists-must-show-their-workings-1.21517</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;text-align:justify"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;text-align:justify">"Closed
systems hide and perpetuate mistakes." it says.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;text-align:justify">WBT
mistakes have been perpetuated for years.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;text-align:justify"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;text-align:justify">In
other sectors, things are moving. The mayors of Paris and
London are pushing for new evaluation systems allowing for
reliable information on car emissions, so we avoid
something like what happened with Volkswagen:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;text-align:justify"><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/paris-london-seoul-grade-cars-based-emissions">http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/paris-london-seoul-grade-cars-based-emissions</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;text-align:justify"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;text-align:justify">The
ETHOS presentation about the round robin testing is here:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;text-align:justify"><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://ethoscon.com/pdf/ETHOS/ETHOS2017/Penumetcha.pdf">http://ethoscon.com/pdf/ETHOS/ETHOS2017/Penumetcha.pdf</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;text-align:justify"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;text-align:justify">According
to this presentation, the objectives of the RRT are to:<o:p></o:p></p>
<ul type="disc">
<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l3
level1 lfo6">
"Facilitate collaboration to establish high quality
testing and quality assurance procedures<o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l3
level1 lfo6">
Ensure consistent and reliable methods and results<o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l3
level1 lfo6">
Provide resources and tools to diagnose and troubleshoot
issues in the future<o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l3
level1 lfo6">
Demonstrate potential for high-quality testing and
evaluation services" <o:p></o:p></li>
</ul>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;text-align:justify">We are
not sure how exactly these goals will be achieved. We
don't know where the RRT is starting from, where it is
going to. Just like the previous communications about the
ISO TC 285: we have an idea of how things are organized,
but no idea of the actual content, of what is actually
being discussed, and decided for the sector. This is a
remark I made to you Ranyee, I don't know if you remember,
long ago, about the GACC webinar on the TC 285, it might
have been June 2015, I think.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;text-align:justify"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-align:justify">The
goal of the RRT is to "Strengthen the sector (not focused
on individual testing centers, products, etc.)".<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-align:justify"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-align:justify">The
GACC is acting for and on behalf of the stove sector, but
I think the sector could have been more involved.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-align:justify"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-align:justify">I
understand that the GACC is working with its 22 Regional
Knowledge Testing Centers (RKTCs), but what I mean by
involvement of the sector does not mean only being asked
to provide data. I am talking about being truly consulted
and involved in shaping the methodology of the study. To
be involved in the decision-making process. It is about
bringing different views about state-of-the-art testing,
addressing real issues, and involving the top researchers
on the matters, like the ones who wrote the studies I
quoted earlier.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-align:justify"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-align:justify">I
feel that instead of working on the issues brought by the
studies, the GACC is working on something else.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-align:justify"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;text-align:justify">Correct
me if I am wrong in my analysis or if I am missing
something. But I am not sure how actually the RRT will
help solve the questions we have. 22 RKTCs all around the
globe will do Water Boiling Tests for 3 different types of
cookstoves. A lot of data will be generated. But given the
very high variability and uncertainty of WBT results, and
the differences likely to occur in the way testing is
conducted from one testing center to another (plus the
data collected from other actors), how reliable will be
the data collected? Is it comparable at all? Is it usable
at all?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;text-align:justify">And
what about other test protocols?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;text-align:justify"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;text-align:justify">Since
there is obviously very little will from the GACC to talk
openly or to support legitimate and collaborative efforts
to move forward, we will continue to discuss the matter,
here and in other spaces. We will do so directly with the
manufacturers, project implementers, large NGOs,
researchers, testing centers, humanitarian agencies,
funders, and various partners. We will keep openly
critiquing testing, collecting scientific work on this
matter, and will keep encouraging collaborative work.
Anyone is welcome to join, anytime.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto">Best
regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto">Xavier<o:p></o:p></p>
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