<div dir="ltr"><div dir="auto"><div>Paul:<br></div><div><br></div><div>That char burning stoves has been a disaster for Haiti or any other country is one of those well-marketed myths. </div><div><br></div><div>All a people has to do is grow more biomass - or use waste biomass - and turn it into charcoal. </div><div><br></div><div>Whether in a kiln or a TLUD stove. <br><br>Haiti has had a thriving charcoal industry for ages, I hear. The whole industry could be improved, not just stoves.</div><div><br>As I mentioned a few months ago, Haiti has become a poster child for deforestation, supposedly from charcoal. My sense over the years - yes, only based on news items and World Bank reports - is that Haitians grow the charcoal they need, and it is becoming more expensive. They don't re-grow their forests because they don't see any gains from doing so. </div><div><br></div><div>Yes, charcoal-USING stoves that are more efficient in energy use may save people money. Whether they can make more money by selling char produced by home stoves or restaurant stoves, or by growing more trees and making charcoal in the farms and the fields, I don't know. I see LPG, electricity and perhaps even solar - Chef Jose Andres said something about solar cooking in Haiti a few months ago, I think - making inroads in the cooking market. While some cooking is outsourced, I also see some people calling for a tax on charcoal. <br><br>And of course, GACC has promised Global Canada to deliver the moon and the sun to Haiti. <br><br>For the sole purpose of pleasing the cook with alternatives to high-cost LPG, electricity, and in response to high-cost charcoal and smokey combustion, your TLUD stoves could be a boon. Good luck. But don't be surprised if charcoal prices go down. If charcoal could be sold in the arid region of Kutchh, India for US20c per kg, I don't see why Haiti or most places in the world should be higher-cost except for controls on land use and charcoaling. <br><br>USING charcoal - for cooking or productive applications - is progress, in some users' view. <br><br></div><div>Wasting energy is not a sin. Joule-counters are like those count DALYs. Enemies of the people. <br><br>Money matters. Physics only in vague God's way of doing things. </div><div><br></div><div>Making and marketing a product that pleases customers is a tough task. Made nearly impossible when grant givers impose themselves and such bean counters between those who take up the challenge and those who might use the product. <br><br>Good luck, trying to convince GACC that your stove needs more attention than aDALY blather. <br><br>Nikhil<br><br><br><br><br></div><div><br></div><div>Nikhil <br><br>Nikhil Desai<div>Skype: nikhildesai888</div></div><div><br>On May 6, 2017, at 12:47 AM, Paul Anderson <<a href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu" target="_blank">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
Crispin and all,<br>
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You had many goo comments in your discussion of Nikhel's email.
But you also wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">The stove community in Africa suffers from
two main impediments: the over-reliance on the WBT as a way of
developing and evaluating stoves, and the near fanatical devotion
to making char, as if Africa needs char-making stoves to save
itself. As one brand of missionaries leaves Africa, another
arrives to tell people when they do and do not sin.
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My comments are only about
<blockquote type="cite">The stove community in Africa suffers from
.... the near fanatical devotion to making char, as if Africa
needs char-making stoves to save itself. <br>
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Maybe you meant to say ... as if Africa needs char BURNING stoves
to save itself. -------- That would be true. Charcoal burning
stoves are disastorous to Africa, Hait, and many other places.<br>
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But you wrote ..... charr-MAKING stoves ....... Which can only
mean TLUD stoves. Well,there is certainly no "near
fanatical devociton" to char-making stoves. There is near
fanatical devotion to the STANDARD and traditional ways of making
char, that is, the ways that do not use the heat, but just waste the
energy.<br>
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But that is not the case of the TLUD stoves that are
:char-MAKING". <br>
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Please clarify your comments.<br>
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Paul<br>
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<pre class="m_9063374439476755914m_5431265655270947124m_-5167305904015067888moz-signature" cols="72">Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
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<div class="m_9063374439476755914m_5431265655270947124m_-5167305904015067888moz-cite-prefix">On 5/5/2017 11:16 AM, Crispin
Pemberton-Pigott wrote:<br>
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<p class="m_9063374439476755914m_5431265655270947124m_-5167305904015067888MsoPlainText">Dear Nikhil<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="m_9063374439476755914m_5431265655270947124m_-5167305904015067888MsoPlainText">I have had a little time to check on
some things. I agree with your perspectives:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="m_9063374439476755914m_5431265655270947124m_-5167305904015067888MsoPlainText">>"Clean energy" is a deliberate
betrayal of poor people. <u></u>
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<p class="m_9063374439476755914m_5431265655270947124m_-5167305904015067888MsoPlainText"><span style="color:black">Agreed because
'clean energy' is based on the concept of 'clean fuel' which
is a misnomer - only combustion systems with fuel can be
judged to be clean.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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